Baywatch, Playboy & Life with Hugh Hefner - Brande Roderick

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Brandy, thank you so much for
coming on to the Beyond the

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Boardroom podcast.
I am literally beyond excited to

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have you on.
You are you're a proper

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celebrity in every way.
You've been on Baywatch, you've

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been on movies, Saski and Hutch.
You have just you have got

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literally a resume of that you
you have this previous wife.

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I could just carry on and on.
You've literally, you're

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beautiful, you're confident
women, you're an entrepreneur.

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Just I want to literally pick
your brain about so many things.

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And honestly, I am so grateful
that you've come on, you're

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giving your time up to talk to
us.

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And I know that our audience are
going to love you.

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And yeah, I can't wait to dig
in.

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Thank you.
Learn more.

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Thank.
You for having me.

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Thanks for having me on.
Such an honor.

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It's such an honor.
So you were quite young, weren't

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you, when you joined Baywatch?
You know what?

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I actually wasn't in Hollywood
standards.

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I was 25 when I.
Was very young.

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Come on.
Well, it isn't.

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It isn't.
It's like Hollywood actresses

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are like living dog years.
Yeah, but when I even when I

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became Playmate of the Year, I
was 26 and there had only been

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one other Playmate of the year
older than me.

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So that's I was way beyond my
years.

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I was getting old and passed in
those dog years there.

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But yeah, so I was a little more
mature when I was getting my

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start.
Yeah, So 25, I think what you've

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got though you're blessed with
is this.

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You've got a baby face.
That's the thing.

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I think you've got that
youthful, lovely look that some

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people just have as a genetic
thing.

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And and I think that that's just
stayed with you because when I I

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remember you actually from
Baywatch and I looked back at

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the footage because I knew you
were coming on the podcast and

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you had cute little babyface.
And that's just you either have

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that or you don't.
So you.

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Forgot it.
It is funny how when we're

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younger, we are like fuller
faced.

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You got that baby face.
It's you're more round, you

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know, And as you get older, you
lose that.

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Right?
Yeah.

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Because yeah, yeah, exactly.
Sad Keep.

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Trying to push it back up.
Try so hard.

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Yeah.
And then obviously, because you

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were on Baywatch, you then
worked with Pamela Anderson,

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David Hasselhoff, all those
guys.

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What was it like working with
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What are they like?
Well, David, he is a character.

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He's so much fun to be around,
whether we were on set or doing

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an autograph signing or going
out, he just is so much fun and

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just such a sweet, genuine,
wonderful person.

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So he needs a jokester and he
likes to laugh.

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And so he he was awesome or he
is awesome.

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I just haven't seen him in a.
While.

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But he's great.
Oh, I remember him from Knight

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Rider.
I just, yeah, watch that.

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And what's Pamela like?
Well, that's where he got his

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start, I think, right.
I think that wasn't Knight Rider

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1st and then Baywatch.
Yeah, I think so, yeah.

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I think he was younger in that.
And then Pamela, we, we've known

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each other for a long time
because first the Playboy world

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and then we did the Baywatch
Hawaiian wedding movie together.

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So we had already known each
other and had that rapport.

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And so it's always nice having
that familiarity when.

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You're she's like a friend,
yeah, a a friend to you already

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know that you're comfortable
with on set and and all that.

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That's really yeah.
And yeah.

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Because I was going to ask you,
how did it feel to be on

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Baywatch?
Did it feel like a powerful

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platform to you?
Did you think, oh, wow, I'm on

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Baywatch is going to be did it
feel powerful or did you know

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the image of being on there
obviously sexy bomb blonde

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bombshell.
Did that affect you?

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Like how?
How was that for you?

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Well, for me it was like, I've
made it, Yeah, I've made it like

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I got my series regular role.
I'm going to be on the number

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one watch show in the world.
Like you couldn't get better

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than Baywatch.
It literally was at the time the

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number one watch show in the
world.

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Yeah.
So it was very exciting.

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I I thought that I had just made
it and you think when you're

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going to something like that,
it's going to last forever,

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right.
But shortly after, unfortunately

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it it got cancelled.
I was on the last, I was there,

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I was on the last season, but it
honestly was like the best job I

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ever had and a key on the beach
in Hawaii and frolicking in the

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water with all the good looking
guys, including Jason Momoa.

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Oh yeah, wow.
But it was just so peaceful, so

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serene living on an island with
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You become a family because you
only have each other.

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And we just all became so close
and had the best time of our

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life just living that beach
life.

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And it it, it was, it was
amazing while it lasted.

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I wish that we could have gone a
couple more years, but it had

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already run 11 years.
And I guess it ran its course.

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But it was, Yeah, it was
absolutely fantastic.

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It was a one one of the best
experiences in my.

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Life because when you say people
watched you around the world,

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literally I I watched that from
South Africa.

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Right.
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, it's crazy amazing.
It was huge to do that, yeah.

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No madness.
So what you say speak, you speak

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of it fondly, but was there any
sort of competitiveness that any

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of that exists?
I mean normally it does in every

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workplace, but did any of that
go on at any time?

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Not really.
I mean, I've been so blessed and

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so lucky my whole life, really.
But we, I said we were like a

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family, like Stacy Kimano and I
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best friends.
The only other gal that was on

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the show was Krista Allen and,
and we got along fantastic.

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It just, I never, there was
never any of that.

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And maybe it's because, and I
don't really get around that.

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And maybe it's because I don't
put that energy out there.

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So maybe I'm not threatening
people, like threatening to

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people or I don't know what it
is.

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But I don't really ever have
that issue where there's women

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are trying to be competitive and
this and that.

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And maybe it's because I'm not,
maybe because I, I don't know.

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I just, I'm lucky in that sense
that.

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And also, if you're surrounded
by other confident women, there

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isn't, there's nothing like that
going on.

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There's no need for it because
all of you, you know, you're all

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just amazing and you're talented
and you're doing all these

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wonderful things.
And I suppose there's not really

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any reason to be anything else,
you know?

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I mean, yeah, and there could
be.

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I mean, obviously there's
insecurities in everything, but

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I've just never experienced the
mean girl thing, you know?

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It's like you can have your own
insecurities, but those are your

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own that you deal with, right?
Not projecting them out on other

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people.
Yeah.

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So what's the wild wild or
something unexpected thing that

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might have happened, you know,
on on set in Baywatcher we don't

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know about?
I mean there were things that

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again Alicia Richter so we knew
each other even before because

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she was also a playmate.
So we knew each other from that

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Playboy world.
But there were scenes where were

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on the sea doos right on this
the jet skis she's behind me and

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I were going to rescue someone.
The cameras are on us.

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It got serious faces jumping on
the sea Doo.

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She puts her up her hands in
front of me and pulls my boobs

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out.
So in the middle seat here I am

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serious and she's behind me
holding on.

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But then she calls you and here
I am like, Oh no, you don't have

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to put it back on and they have
to cut.

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Oh no, you can't.
Get mad at her because they just

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got a free show and they're
laughing.

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Oh my gosh, but.
But that Alicia don't do it

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anymore.
We're trying to get the damn

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shot.
But that gives that gives us an

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idea of sort of the nice
atmosphere between you guys and,

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you know, you're all young,
you're having fun out there.

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It's just, yeah, it does sound
like the absolute.

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We're just like silly kids and
having a good time and pulling

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pranks on each other.
And, you know, it's funny

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because I was just with Alicia.
We spent Easter together, all of

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our kids and everybody in
Florida.

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So we still are always, you
know, doing things together.

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Yeah, that's really lovely all.
All these years later.

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Yeah, All these years later,
that's amazing.

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So what came first?
Was it?

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So did Baywatch come first?
Was it Playboy that came first

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or how?
How did that come about?

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Well, as far as like to the
world, they came out at the same

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they came, they happened at the
same time.

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OK, so my issue April 2000,
yeah, came out in April, April

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2000 and I left for for Baywatch
in April.

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So they both happened in the
same month, which is kind of

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crazy.
Yeah, you.

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That must have been a lot for
you are young.

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Listen, let's just be honest.
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And you've got all that coming.
You've got all the fame from

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Baywatch that's gone global.
And then boy.

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Yeah.
And then right after that kind

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of the same thing happened when
the show came out, I went and

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did and got Playmate of the
Year.

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So then it's I went and shot the
same time, my issue, the other

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issue came out, but then my
other Playmate of the year issue

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came out as Baywatch was coming
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So it's just amazing how just
simultaneously everything worked

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out what perfect.
What is it like, what must it be

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like to be not only Playmate of
the Month, but Playmate of the

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Year?
I mean, that's, that's

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absolutely huge.
How was that for you?

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Yeah, it, it was is very
exciting.

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I mean, being 1 of 60 women in
the world is pretty exciting.

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And when I got the call, I was
actually living with Stacey

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Kimano, who I was on Baywatch
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We'd just gotten back to LA from
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And she was in the bathtub and I
was in the living room and I got

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a call from Marilyn Grabowski,
who was the head editor at

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Playboy.
And she said, Brandy, how would

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you like to be Playmate of the
Year?

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I'm like, yeah.
And I was getting off the phone

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and I went in and scream.
She was screaming to Stacy.

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She's jumping up in the bathtub
with bubbles everywhere.

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And I'm, we're both up all
screaming, excited.

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So yeah, that was also a very
exciting phone call to get, just

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like it was when I got the call
about being on Baywatch.

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So.
So how did your life change?

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What Like what what?
What did that feel like?

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I don't know.
Well, I don't know that it

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changed so much, but I did get
to continue to travel the world

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when I was playing of the year.
They have us go to different

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places.
I got to go to Japan all over

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touring just it was just a
wonderful experience of course.

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And when I got that, it helped
again bring my name out there

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even more.
Continued to work and get other

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jobs, either gigs so to speak.
Yes, you're really, you're

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working very, very hard.
You're travelling, you're

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getting to know all these new
cultures, countries and all of

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that.
And you're at this point you're

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very, very busy.
It's probably going really

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quickly, the momentum of your
life.

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Yeah, it was, yeah.
Very busy all the time, going to

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do something, whether it was a
movie or reality show, ATV show,

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an appearance.
Yeah, Whirlwind, Whirlwind.

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A good a really good whirlwind.
And part of that whirlwind is

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Hugh Hefner.
So how did you, how did you meet

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him?
Well, actually we met the first

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time at one of his movie nights.
A photographer friend of mine

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was really good friends with
this gentleman named Elliot who

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was very good friends with Hef
and he knew that I always wanted

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to be a Playmate and I was named
after a Playboy model.

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My mom had seen a girl by the
name of Brandy spelled just like

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mine with an E in the magazine
and so I always knew.

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So I had this to live up to,
right?

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She wanted me to be as beautiful
as this girl in the magazine.

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So she named me after the girl
in the magazine.

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So the photographer knew this
story and he said, I think I

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have a way to get you up there.
Elliot's a friend of mine, blah,

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blah, blah.
So I go up with Elliot and at

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the time Heff was married to
Kimberly and they So I got to

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meet him.
I got to go to the movie and I

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told him my story about my mom
and being named after a Playboy

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model.
He's like, oh, let's go try and

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find her.
So he brought me in the library

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and we went started looking
through all the magazines trying

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to find Brandy with, but you
know, they were trying to get

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the movie started and we're
like, we can only look through

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so many hundreds of magazines.
So we we couldn't find it.

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And it was so nice of him and
sweet of him to take the time

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and want to try to find this
person.

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But that was my first encounter
with him.

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And then I hadn't seen him for
months and then he and his wife

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had broken up.
And so he started going out and

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going out being single and
meeting people and enjoying life

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as a single man.
So we met at a nightclub.

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What was it called?
I think it was O opium den

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opium.
Anyway, so he was in the little

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VIP section and I go, Oh my
gosh, this half and I ran over

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and I go, hey, Remember Me
Brandy?

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I'm the one with the mom, the
name.

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We have to.
He's like, Oh my gosh, yes,

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darlin, come in, sit down.
So I was there with my

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girlfriend from up north and we
both sat next to him, one of us

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on each side, and we're like Oh
my gosh.

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We both look back behind him and
don't.

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Yeah, holy shit.
I have to say, right, that

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that's a confident move that
going up to this, you have now

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just making him be like, oh,
hello, that's brave.

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What do you have?
What do you have to lose?

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Right?
Yeah.

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You miss 100% of the shots you
don't take.

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Wow.
Impressive.

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Our next, our real and meeting
or whatever and then we were

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inseparable ever since then.
So we had a 2 1/2 year courtship

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relationship also and it
honestly just so like again,

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some of the best times of my
life were spent with that man.

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He he brought me so many
wonderful places and experiences

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and things I never would have
been able to do or experience

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had I not met him.
Like what?

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Like what for example?
About like going to the Cannes

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Film Festival on this huge
yacht, having the celebrity

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party on our yacht, walking that
red carpet at the Cannes Film

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Festival, you know, living it in
a way that no ordinary normal.

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Person could live.
Yeah, that's not normal.

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No, it was just, it was a dream,
you know, flying on the private

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jet over there.
So the whole time we're flying

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to Europe, we're dancing and
eating and watching movies and

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like, it's a big huge living
room or something.

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Just stuff like that.
The stuff dreams are made of.

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It's literally so, yeah.
Like a Princess, like a story.

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You, you've like, it's
unbelievable and you're living

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this amazing life.
So what was the mansion like?

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The famous mansion.
Well, it was very old fashioned,

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but I love that.
I love the nostalgia of it.

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You know, every year or
whenever, however often let's

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say the carpet got dirty, he
would replace it with the exact

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same.
Carpet, right?

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Yes, like things like that.
Every time he would still keep

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it up and it was fresh, but it
was the same stuff that had

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always been there, same style,
so it was always kept.

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It's that very nostalgic, yeah.
It's very.

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Iconic like these 5?
Even when I when I think of the

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mansion, everything I've seen
about it, also the mansion

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itself is famous.
The the grotto, you know, it's

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just, you've seen it so many
times on TV, it's just featured.

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It's like, it's incredible.
So I suppose it helped that he

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kept things the same.
Yeah, I think so, definitely.

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Were there any rules you had to
follow?

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Sorry, were there any rules that
you had to follow in the mansion

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before anything goes or?
Rules, I mean only normal like

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rules that you have when you
have a boyfriend, right?

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Like what I mean like like
you're not gonna you don't go

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cheat on your boyfriend, right?
But no, there were no rules so

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to speak.
But.

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No shoes in the house.
Yeah, nothing like.

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No, I can't think of any.
Yeah, and the the other woman in

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the house, like I know you said
that you don't give that energy.

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You can tell you're very
relaxed, you're very confident.

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There's no, there's no issues
like weirdness, something like

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that.
But like the other woman in the

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house, like was there anything
like that going on?

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Or also everyone just chill,
None of that.

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No, no.
I mean, even Sandy and Mandy and

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they they were there part of the
time.

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And we were like sisters when
they would come into town.

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It was, oh, my gosh.
And we'd have fun.

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We'd go shopping, we'd hang out,
we'd go to dinners.

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We're still very close.
Yeah, We still keep in contact,

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but no.
And then the playmates, when

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they would come into town, when
they would do their testing,

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they'd come in and typically
would stay in the guest house at

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the mansion when they do their
testing.

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And same thing, just wonderful
girls.

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They're always very sweet.
They knew how to pick them.

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I don't know.
They they really knew how to

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pick the girls that were going
to be Playmates.

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And I think that they looked at
it like the whole package, the

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girl next door.
So they were very picky on and

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you'd have to have the right
personality as well.

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It wasn't just about looks
because they knew that these

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girls had to go around and
represent Playboy and go do

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their promotions and wear their
buddy costume and, and represent

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Playboy.
So they always picked very

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smart, beautiful, sweet girls.
Yeah, there was.

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One brand all yeah, that's
really, that is intelligent and

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that's what keeps the brand
going on.

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Yeah, that's good business
decisions there, I'd say.

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Did your time on Playboy change
how people perceive you at all?

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Men.
Anything like that really.

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I mean, not that I, not that I
was affected by I, I feel like

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my whole life I had to, I've
always had to work harder

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because people have a certain
perception of even just being a

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blonde, let's say, right, the
typical, yeah, blonde.

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So you're always trying to prove
yourself, right.

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Well, I'm no dumb blonde.
So I, I feel the same thing with

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being on in Playboy or on
Baywatch.

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You're always constantly hafting
to maybe do a little bit more

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maybe than the average person
because you're having to prove

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otherwise than the typical
stereotype.

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You know, even with going on The
Celebrity Apprentice, for me,

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that was the perfect gateway to
prove myself.

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Yeah, well, I feel like I was
always and still to this day,

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always having to do more to
prove myself.

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Yeah, and this is part of the
reason why I'm so happy that

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you've come on, because it's
this whole subject around the

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image.
You're, you are, you're a

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beautiful blonde.
So why can't you also be

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intelligent and a good business
person and have all this stuff

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and you have proven yourself and
we're going to get to that.

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But I love, love breaking that
that up in people's minds and

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showing you for who you really
are.

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And you are soup.
You're gorgeous, you're

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confident, and you're also
incredibly intelligent and a

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very good business person.
And that's just you can be all

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that.
Thank you.

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Thank you.
Yes, and.

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Let's break those stereotypes.
Yeah, why?

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Why does somebody's looks have
anything to do with their

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intelligence?
It's just that it doesn't make

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sense why people think that you
have.

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It has zero, but it's almost
easier to for people to to put

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one in that category.
You might be like this because

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then it's easier for me to it
almost becomes too much.

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It's like, how can you handle
being this amazing bombshell?

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But then you're you're smart and
you can, can you be, how are you

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allowed to have both of those
things?

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Right, right.
It's confusing for people.

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It's so confusing they.
Can't wrap wrap their head

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around it.
Exactly, exactly.

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So let's let's go a little bit
into this because then, so

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you've had the Baywatch.
You've obviously to get on to

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Baywatch, you've got to have
acting skills anyway.

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You've got to be a good actress.
You're you're these are serious

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roles that you're saving
someone's life.

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You've got to know how to how to
act.

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It's not easy.
And then you've gone into all

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these roles.
You've done Starsky and Hutch

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with Ben Stiller and Owen
Wilson, Nanny Diaries, the

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Scarlett Johansson TV hits,
Shoot me Beverly Hills 9O2.

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I know which also I watched.
So I mean, how was that getting

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those roles, obviously doing all
the things that you've done, so

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going in and now you're going
for these more serious acting

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roles and movies, you're going
to a different type of thing

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now.
So how did that feel for you?

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How was that?
Did you have to fight harder?

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I feel like I've always, you're
always working hard and my whole

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life I've always, I don't take
no for an answer, right.

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I make sure to find a way to get
what I want and I get creative.

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And I think a lot of that comes
from I've been reading self help

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books and advice books my whole
life.

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And I think that it all just
kind of it's all sticks in

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there.
So when it would come to a

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really big role, for example,
like Starsky and Hunch, I'm

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going up against all the other
famous starlets.

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I'd already been on Baywatch at
that time, so it's like everyone

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at that level.
So I have to stand out.

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But I went into the audition and
Todd Phillips, who is now an

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Accord Academy award-winning
director, he was in the room.

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Ben Stiller was in the room.
And I had to do my scene with

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them, but I walk in and they
were like Brandy.

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Oh, we loved you on The Surreal
Life.

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We love that show.
And Ben was saying, Christine,

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my wife and I, I love the show.
And Todd said I'm a huge fan of

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Emmanuel Lewis.
And he was on the The Surreal

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Life with me.
And I listen, I listen to

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everything they're saying and I
do my audition and I feel like I

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nail it.
But again, there's a million

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other girls out there that are
going out for this role.

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But anyway, so I leave there and
I call Emmanuel Lewis and I say,

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Manny, you have to do me a
favor, autograph an 8 by 10 to

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Todd Phillips and say hire my
girl Brandy and sign it.

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So I put I hadn't put this in
the mail, sent it to Todd.

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So Todd gets this thing and he's
looking at it like, how crazy is

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this girl, right?
I mean, she sends me this thing,

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but I got the job.
So yes.

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And I do things like that that
are outside the box that other

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people won't do right.
That is genius kind of stuff

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that I've always done.
I did that with another casting

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director.
I went in there and she had a

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candle burning.
I was like, Oh my gosh, that

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smells so good.
What is that?

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When I left, I sent her a thank
you card and that candle,

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another one of those candles.
And I'll tell you man, she

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called me back all the time for
those roles.

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She was a casting director for
for sitcoms, which is how I got

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Joey, how I got the game.
I was on 2 episodes of the game.

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So it was just these little
things that are so important

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that I always make sure that I
do to get called back.

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Even after I do a job.
I send a thank you card to the

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producers and I'll tell you I
get repeat acting gigs all the

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time because I do all those
things other people won't do,

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00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,320
you do and I'm very thankful.
Yeah, you do work harder.

448
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,000
You you take the extra step that
someone's not going to take.

449
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,160
Put the effort in that someone's
not going to do.

450
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,080
You feel like you prove yourself
and you're putting energy in.

451
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,040
And that's appreciated because
also it shows that you really,

452
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,560
really, really want it.
So why?

453
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,240
Why not?
I'm also very grateful.

454
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,200
And so when I'm sending a thank
you note to somebody, I really

455
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,760
am very thankful for the
opportunities because there

456
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,720
aren't a lot of them.
And you know, this is a small

457
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,160
pool that we have in a small
business.

458
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,760
Yeah.
So I, I just, I am grateful for

459
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,880
every opportunity and every job
I get.

460
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,200
So I I definitely always can
share that as.

461
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,720
Well, no, no diva behavior, but
yeah.

462
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,760
No, definitely not.
You'll never I I, I don't think

463
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,960
that anyone could ever say that
I've ever been a diva on set so.

464
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,040
No, you definitely don't give
that.

465
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:29,440
I want to get called back.
I want repeat business.

466
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,440
Yeah, no, for sure, for sure.
And you're more likely to get it

467
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,360
when you work hard.
You've got that, you know, the

468
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,520
ethic, the right work ethics,
and they want to hire someone

469
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,320
reliable.
You know for sure.

470
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,360
OK, we're going to move into a
little bit of a different

471
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:48,280
territory now.
Men confidence, Female power.

472
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,200
So yes.
So you've you've become known,

473
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,440
I'll say, for confidence, you
know, you, you give that off in

474
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,000
a, in a very nice, like you say,
it's a non threatening way, but

475
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,800
it's there and that's wonderful.
It's so, it's such a beautiful

476
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,520
thing to have.
So asking you as a confident

477
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,440
woman you know, what do you,
what do you find sexy in men?

478
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:20,360
In a man in general?
Well, I can tell you it's not

479
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,160
looks.
Right, OK.

480
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:28,560
Meaning, of course I can 100%
appreciate a beautiful man, for

481
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,840
sure.
But for me, what turns me on

482
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:40,200
would be a guy that is confident
and someone that is a gentleman

483
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,040
that's going to treat me like a
lady.

484
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:49,560
Someone that is has a good job,
someone that's just shows some

485
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,320
sort of motivation and
confidence.

486
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,400
To me, all of that is attractive
and also a connection you have

487
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,840
with someone, but it's not.
It's usually in my life I

488
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,720
haven't picked the typical good
looking guy.

489
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,840
So when I have a guy that I fall
in love with, it's like they

490
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,040
become so good looking to me,
but they might not be good

491
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,640
looking to like the average
person that's looking at them.

492
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,040
I'm so attracted to them for
their just strongness, their

493
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,760
security, their confidence and
the way they treat me and the

494
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,560
way they treat me as a lady and
that, you know, like that's,

495
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,680
that's huge for me.
Well, The thing is, and I I

496
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,480
completely agree, it's the
confidence.

497
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,400
It's so attractive to be
confident, to have someone

498
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,560
confident enough, and then when
they confident, then they also

499
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,840
know how to treat you because
they're confident with you.

500
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,720
Who's confident?
Exactly right.

501
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,520
That's exactly it.
You're right though that a good

502
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,520
looking guy, the looks are are
are ruined if there's no

503
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,880
confidence they they kind of
they become.

504
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,760
Yeah.
It it just.

505
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,080
Doesn't well more if, yeah, I
mean, if, if they're not

506
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,160
confident or if they are
arrogant or aloof or there

507
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,920
there's just yeah, then that's.
But if they have the whole

508
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,800
package, then great.
Shoot, that's fantastic.

509
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,840
And there are people out there
like that, of course, but I

510
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,440
don't, I, I wouldn't want, I
don't want the average Joe out

511
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,080
there to think that it's women.
That's what we look at because

512
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,080
that's not how we're made.
However, men, on the other hand,

513
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,520
I think men a lot of the times
are made a little different and

514
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,480
they do kind of look at looks a
lot of times.

515
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,400
Unfortunately that happens too.
But no, yeah, I, I, I think that

516
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,320
men need to not worry about the
look so much with themselves or

517
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,160
with women, But I mean, just,
they don't need to be worried

518
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,080
about that so much because we're
not attracted.

519
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,600
Women aren't typically attracted
to that.

520
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,440
Yeah, and I know that what I
found initially attractive in my

521
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,840
husband and is the the
confidence to say that he liked

522
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,000
me, the confidence to go in the
right way that that's attractive

523
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,880
too.
The hunt to be confident enough

524
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,840
to do that, hunting to to pursue
you like that, that's

525
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,280
attractive.
Men need to do that.

526
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,280
We want to be, yes, we want to
be pursued.

527
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,480
We want to be pursued.
That that's nature.

528
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,360
It's human in nature.
Make that absolutely and and

529
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,720
don't get caught up on.
I feel so bad for this younger

530
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,200
generation that was in this
world where it's almost this

531
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,040
crazy feminist thing is
happening where they're they

532
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,400
don't want men to be men and the
women are supposed to now be

533
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,840
alpha and I don't know, but it's
not normal.

534
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,080
It's not right.
And men be men and you'll,

535
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,760
you'll find a girl that you're
supposed to be with that if you

536
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,160
want a feminine girl, go be a
man, right?

537
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,720
You have to, if you want pitch
ass crazy, I don't know, then

538
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,720
you can be meek and and then you
go get a woman that wants to

539
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,200
control you.
If that's what you want, then

540
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,880
then go for it.
But if you want to be a man and

541
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,600
you want to be the man, then
you'll find you'll go and find

542
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,160
your lady and you need to act
like a man.

543
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,200
You need to go ask her out.
You need to be put your best

544
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,600
foot forward and not be afraid
and just do it.

545
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,000
Yeah, have to do.
I don't like what what the the

546
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,000
the new narrative is what
they're doing with men, where

547
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,120
they want to take and these
overly feminist women beating

548
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,720
men down and say you're not
allowed to be masculine, You're

549
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,400
not allowed to show strength
like that.

550
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,960
You're not allowed to.
The things that men would

551
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,240
instinct that they want to do,
they're not allowed to do.

552
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,200
And also you're not allowed to
give a woman a compliment.

553
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,040
You can't do anything.
Men are scared of doing anything

554
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,840
anymore.
Absolutely.

555
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,200
Someone a compliment anymore?
Come on.

556
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,480
It's insane.
I was just listening to a

557
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,200
podcast and I was shocked.
I literally wanted to turn it

558
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,560
off and I bought this woman's
book and now I wish I didn't buy

559
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,400
it.
But she was talking about on

560
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,560
this podcast how when she has
her so her husband, she as soon

561
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,800
as he tried to open up a door
for her, she told him, no, no,

562
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,400
no, Mr. you're not opening up
the door for me.

563
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,400
So she's I don't allow him to
open the door for me.

564
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,680
And I was oh.
Come on.

565
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,040
Freaking kidding me.
You're that insecure about your

566
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,800
feminine femininity that you not
let a man open a door for you?

567
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,880
I was just shocked.
That's horrible.

568
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,640
My boyfriend, if he doesn't
help, I will not.

569
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,040
If I'm with a man, whether it's
my my boyfriend or, or or a

570
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,840
business colleague or whoever it
is, I walk right up to the door

571
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,680
and I stand there until they
open it because that's just the

572
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,760
way I just.
Think it's bad manners?

573
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,880
I think it's bad manners because
someone that's stronger than you

574
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,840
and it's polite.
That's how I'd be brought up to

575
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,080
gentlemen, to absolutely.
And I'm teaching my sons, my son

576
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,720
will run up to a door before any
lady and open a door for him.

577
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,400
And that makes me for them.
And that makes me so proud.

578
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,760
Like that is something that
should not go away.

579
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,640
Chivalry should not be dead.
I mean, those are the things

580
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,880
that are so important that make
men feel good, makes a woman

581
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,280
feel good.
I just, it's just was crazy to

582
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,280
me that this smart woman who
wrote a book was mad at her

583
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,320
husband for trying to open the
door.

584
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,240
So wrong How?
Dare he?

585
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,600
Yeah, it's so wrong.
I'm with you.

586
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,840
I totally agree.
I think it's really sad what's

587
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,360
happening.
And I think like we need the

588
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280
movement to stop this nonsense.
It's gone too far.

589
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,360
Men need to be allowed to be men
and do what they instinctively

590
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,840
on men and women should be women
and just we.

591
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,160
Yeah, absolutely.
It's gone too far too far.

592
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,680
Yeah.
So what's the one thing that

593
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,360
you'd say men get wrong when
they approach a strong and

594
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,960
confident woman?
What do you think they do wrong,

595
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,400
if there's anything they do at
all?

596
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:07,720
Well, maybe something like, Oh,
well, you probably always get

597
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,800
compliments, so I'm not going to
give you a compliment.

598
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,680
You probably always get treated
a certain way.

599
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,360
So I'm not going to treat you
that way.

600
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,880
They sometimes men think it's
think it's attractive that they

601
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,280
feel they want to try and be
different, I guess, so to speak.

602
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:31,920
But that does not work that that
a woman can never be told too

603
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,720
many times she's beautiful or
smart or getting compliments.

604
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,080
You can't just assume that a
woman was going to be hearing

605
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,000
that too much.
The I don't think men should

606
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,880
ever assume assume that because
it's never going to be too much.

607
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,440
Right?
Yeah.

608
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,520
We love hearing compliments.
Thank you.

609
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,600
And if a woman can't take a
compliment and say thank you,

610
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,240
then that's her own issue.
Yeah, I think we should.

611
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,680
I think in general, in the world
where it's going, we don't give

612
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,040
each other enough compliments.
If something's great, if

613
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,400
someone's doing something well,
if you admire something and

614
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,240
someone, tell them.
If you mean it is genuine, tell

615
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,240
them.
Just tell them.

616
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,280
And we can all improve and we
know then we're doing this thing

617
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,080
right and people admire it.
It's a good thing to give a

618
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,040
call. 100% one, absolutely.
Yeah.

619
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,159
So I had a question here about
do you feel judged by other

620
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,040
women for owning your sexuality?
But I know the answer to that is

621
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,400
no, because you don't give that
energy.

622
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:33,040
Well, I, I, I do know that there
are women that judge for sure,

623
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:37,280
right, That think that that's
bad or, or whatever it might be,

624
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,560
but it just doesn't bother me
because what they think in their

625
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,520
world does not affect me in my
world.

626
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,920
As long as, you know, I'm OK
with it and I enjoy it or

627
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,360
whatever it might be, then
that's fine.

628
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,320
But if a woman is, is judging
because maybe she's very

629
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,480
religious and does not believe
in that, well, that's her

630
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,480
beliefs and that's fine.
That's her world and I have my

631
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,960
world, and what she's thinking
in her own little world doesn't

632
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,440
affect me.
Do you have things like other

633
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,480
women being scared to be your
friend or things like that

634
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,760
because they think, Oh no, if
you know, if I bring her around

635
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,640
to dinner party, my husband's
going to fall in love with her.

636
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:26,160
It's a very basic, but you have
something like that now or.

637
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,320
I don't think I really have too
much of that, thank goodness.

638
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,840
But one thing that that I find
in women that just meet me that

639
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,600
just kind of know me as like, oh
gosh, that's Brandy Rodrick.

640
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,040
You know, I'm the celebrity and
we meet as friends or try to get

641
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,240
together that they try and talk.
It's it's almost like I don't

642
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,120
know how to put this without
sounding, you know, crass, but

643
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,320
they might like put down other
women or talk shit about this or

644
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,680
talk shit about some celebrities
plastic surgery or they'll say,

645
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,240
well, I'm at this celebrity and
oh, they were just an asshole.

646
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:09,320
Or it's almost like some sort of
a weird mechanism they have that

647
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,040
they have to talk bad about
stuff and that is so not me.

648
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,480
So it turns me off immediately.
And I hate that Like they, they

649
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,360
feel, I feel like they're trying
to connect and maybe by

650
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,680
gossiping and saying bad things
about other people, they feel

651
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,680
they're going to connect.
But that's not how I roll.

652
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,520
I don't, I don't connect with
people like that.

653
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,880
I don't like it.
So but I think that it's a

654
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,440
nervous energy that they have a
nervous nervous mechanism.

655
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,920
But I do find that a lot when
people first start, they don't

656
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,480
know how to act or talk.
I don't know.

657
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,200
Do you know what I've got a I've
got a podcast coming up with the

658
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,240
evolutionary behavioral
psychologists at Oxford here in

659
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,520
the UK.
And one of the topics that we're

660
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,200
going to discuss is actually
bonding through gossip, bonding

661
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,560
through, it's weird.
It's so weird but right thing.

662
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:01,760
So you.
Yeah.

663
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,400
You might, you might be able to
forgive this, this particular

664
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,680
group.
No, Yeah, it's apparently it's a

665
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:08,520
yeah.
That's why I was saying, I know

666
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,040
it's just a, a nervous thing
that they have, that they're

667
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,240
just trying to bond and I get
it.

668
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,960
But that's what women for some
reason, That's yeah.

669
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:20,280
Do.
And I just, I don't care for it.

670
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,200
And so because that happens, I
don't want to hang out with them

671
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,200
again, right?
Because it's sometimes I, I get

672
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,680
it and I'm OK.
I'll just give them another

673
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,160
chance because I know it's just
a nervous energy thing and

674
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,280
they're just trying to bond.
But I, yeah, it is a turn off.

675
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,080
I I had if people can be aware
of it and and recognize, yeah,

676
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,600
maybe.
It it is a thing.

677
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,360
I think for me, I had this thing
for parents when you have a

678
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,000
mom's night that you're the moms
get together for the kids year

679
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,640
group, whatever, they get
together and they chat.

680
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,760
Then sometimes they'll even the
gospel will be about kids, the

681
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,800
kid and the kids whose parents
not there.

682
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,960
Let's talk about the kid.
And I think that's now you're

683
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,560
talking about a kid here, an
innocent child.

684
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:06,040
No, let's not, let's not, no.
Good.

685
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,920
No good.
Good and gossip.

686
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,480
It's it's not a nice thing.
So I mean, we've touched on this

687
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,960
already, but do you think
society knows how to handle sexy

688
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,760
and successful women?
It's quite a it's a it's a it's

689
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,640
a strange.
It's a sexy woman who's

690
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,480
successful because smart, yes,
successful, but also sexy and

691
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,720
successful.
That's almost even even more

692
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:33,880
incomprehendible, like.
Yeah, I, I think so.

693
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:39,080
I mean, there's been lots of
successful sexy women I think

694
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,320
that that have been out there
over the years.

695
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,320
So I, I think that society can
handle it.

696
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,880
I think there's, you're always
going to have those pockets of

697
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,520
people that can't.
But I think overall, I think

698
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,880
yes.
And honestly, it doesn't matter

699
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,280
what society thinks or, you
know, it only matters what you

700
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,640
think and what you're doing in
your own world.

701
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,560
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I, I, I hear you.

702
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,160
Yeah.
I mean, it's, it's nice when,

703
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,360
you know, with a podcast,
obviously speaking like this and

704
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,760
having a platform, it's lovely
to be able to talk about things

705
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,760
and like the whole subject, the
men's subject we've just spoken

706
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,560
about.
And, and as you know, there are

707
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,800
views that society have about,
you know, men now bringing them

708
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,080
down or, you know, if you're a
certain kind of woman, you look

709
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,000
a certain way, you're boxing to
a certain thing.

710
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,360
And I kind of almost feel like
that's almost like a form of

711
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,080
social bullying that I feel like
if I see bullying, I feel

712
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,040
compelled, like I feel it's my
duty in life to deal with the

713
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,160
the bullying and that the
bullying just dismantle it and

714
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,520
be like, actually, no, no, no,
that's not how we think.

715
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,800
Let's just bring the tone down
of that and let's just come back

716
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,040
to like a normal situation.
Yeah.

717
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,040
And that'd be great if there
were more people like you trying

718
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,760
to do that, right?
I mean, that would be fantastic.

719
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,600
But in our world, it seems like
people are trying to almost do

720
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,920
the opposite, right?
Because it gets a rise and it's

721
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,680
it's more fiery or whatever it
might be, but yeah.

722
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,680
Yeah, we need more people to
defuse the bull.

723
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,840
We need to defuse.
We need to defuse.

724
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,680
We need to yeah, yeah, and bring
down the whole the feminist the

725
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,440
overly that I I am so with you
on that that needs to come down

726
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,320
like many notches down That's
it's.

727
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,400
Too much.
I think the problem is social

728
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,160
media, right?
I think that once you get on

729
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,640
that little bit of a little bit
of it, then that's all they give

730
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,360
you, right?
It's like brain, you're getting

731
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,600
brainwashed.
So once you delve into that a

732
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,920
little bit, then that's all
you're getting fed and it just

733
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,640
lights that fire inside of
somebody to become the extreme.

734
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,600
The extreme, yes, yeah.
So I want to talk a little bit

735
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,520
about your your character.
You know your your ability to be

736
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,160
resilient, which has also come
from personal reasons.

737
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,160
You used to be married to NFL 9
by Glenn Cadres.

738
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,840
Did I pronounce that correctly?
You said that correctly, I did.

739
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,480
And then you had to, you went
through a divorce and how, I

740
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,800
mean, that must have really, you
know, you've got two sons

741
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,240
together.
Is that Yes, Yeah.

742
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,080
Yes, and.
So how did one.

743
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:28,760
Yeah, go ahead.
How?

744
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,400
Yeah, no, yeah.
So I mean, obviously going

745
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,240
through a divorce like that and
you've got these two beautiful

746
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,840
kids and obviously there was a
lot of love and all that.

747
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:42,440
And then that goes, yeah, how do
you, yeah, how do you move, move

748
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,800
forward, you know?
I mean, you, you have to be

749
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,120
obviously resilient and strong
to get through that stuff.

750
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,000
But what I came to realize is
because when you get married,

751
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,800
you know, your dream is that
you're going to be with that

752
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,080
person the rest of your life.
You're going to be sitting on

753
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,840
the porch watching your
grandkids play.

754
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:06,480
And then it doesn't happen.
And So what I found is it's OK.

755
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,000
It's a chapter in your life.
And now you just have to come up

756
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,960
with a new dream, right?
So now I just have a new dream.

757
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,680
And my whole life I feel like
I've pivoted.

758
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,680
You know I think pivot is a word
I use a lot and so I had to

759
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:26,040
pivot and change the dream which
is totally fine now and we all

760
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:32,280
got through it and Glenn and I
Co parent very well and he lives

761
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,640
7 minutes from me.
So they could.

762
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,800
You know, ride their bikes to
school and then they ride at the

763
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,200
back to each of our houses.
And you know, so it's, it's,

764
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,120
it's turned out wonderfully.
And even though I would never

765
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:52,560
wish that upon anyone, it's kind
of been a blessing in disguise

766
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:58,280
because now I've met my life
partner that I am with and he's

767
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:03,280
an amazing, wonderful human
being that I, I just can't

768
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,840
imagine being without.
So for me, it's like you, just

769
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,880
there is a silver lining in
everything.

770
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,280
And even if during the darkest
days, you will come out and

771
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,320
there will be light and you just
have to pivot and get through it

772
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,600
when it's hard and then it'll
come out and it'll be good

773
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,960
again.
Yeah, it's lovely the way that

774
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,720
you've framed that the whole
pivoting and the chapter that

775
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:29,840
you see that beginning, middle
and then the closure and that's

776
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,720
unfortunately helps you just to
to frame that and then regroup.

777
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,360
I think is is a good one.
Yes, move on for.

778
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,360
Sure.
Regroup.

779
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,560
Yeah, I do a lot of regrouping.
And also allowing yourself that

780
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:45,000
because you have that closure
and it's a chapter, you open it

781
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,480
mentally.
You've put that mindset in

782
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,360
there.
You are then allowing yourself

783
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,360
to open up to something else.
For sure a.

784
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,120
Very strong way, psychological
mindset, way to think about

785
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,360
things.
You know, this is a little bit

786
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,400
of off piece now, but I'm going
to say it in there.

787
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,120
It's just that it just triggered
something the other day.

788
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,520
I've got 3 cats, OK, and two of
them are little, little ones and

789
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,800
they're quite crazy.
And one of them caught a bird.

790
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,680
I don't like them catching birds
at all.

791
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,960
But one of them caught a bird
and my daughter was like, Oh my

792
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,320
gosh, it's got a bird.
And then I shouted at the cat,

793
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,400
let it go, and it let it go.
And then I drove the bird to one

794
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,400
of those wildlife hospital
things and it's like 70% chance

795
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,400
it's going to be fine or
whatever, but the parents.

796
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,000
So it's like a little Blackbird,
but the parents of the bird were

797
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,480
circling the area and obviously
being upset and calling for

798
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,400
their little baby, who I knew is
fine, but it's like in the

799
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,840
wildlife.
Yeah, but, and then I was just

800
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,200
curious.
So I, I went on chat TV to find

801
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,040
out on AI, do they grieve?
What do birds do?

802
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,400
And they, they do for like 24 to
48 hours.

803
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,520
They've got a period where they
obviously they're in shock and

804
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,120
then they circle and they look
around for their baby or

805
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,720
whatever, but then they move on.
They regroup and they look

806
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,920
after, you know, the other ones
and they move on.

807
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,240
And if they didn't do that, it
would threaten all survival,

808
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:04,280
wouldn't it?
I mean, I don't.

809
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,880
Right.
But well, that's that's pretty

810
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,680
amazing that yeah, that, that,
that's too bad we didn't have a

811
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,200
24 hour mechanism.
So obviously their lifespan is.

812
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,280
Regroup after 24 hours.
Yeah, you know. 24 hours, yeah,

813
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,680
no, but it just shows you about
it's survival of the species.

814
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,880
And we do need to because I've
seen situations where someone

815
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:32,400
has passed and there is no, the
ability to move on is not there.

816
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:38,120
And and that that is a
unfortunately a thing.

817
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,160
You wrote a book, Bounce Don't
Break as a guide to resilience.

818
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:50,040
So what would you say is the
main take away from that lesson

819
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:55,760
in resilience?
Well, I guess 1 little phrase or

820
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,960
something you could say is like
when a door closes, find a woman

821
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,480
a window to crawl through,
right?

822
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,480
Like you don't you just don't,
don't worry, you're going to

823
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,720
find, you will find a way,
right?

824
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,640
You just have to find the way.
Don't take that closed doors.

825
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,080
That's it.
That window, crawl through the

826
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,040
window and move on.
And, and what's so important,

827
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:24,800
it's, it's the, it's the getting
back up that is going to change

828
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,200
everything and make you
stronger.

829
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,560
And you just, you have to, you
have to get back up.

830
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,600
Yeah.
Do you think there's any

831
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,160
misconceptions about you out
there that you'd like to care up

832
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,600
or people might think they know
about you that got wrong?

833
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:44,000
Anything like that at all?
I mean, maybe people don't know

834
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:49,640
that in real life I'm a dork.
I'm really a nerd.

835
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,640
I'm a dork.
Like I go around and sing and

836
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,600
dance outside and my kids think
I'm the biggest nerd.

837
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:01,520
For example, we love The
Greatest Showman, the movie, and

838
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,360
we watch it all the time.
And every single time a song

839
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,760
comes on in the movie I make,
all the kids get up and we dance

840
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,440
around and we sing and we jump
on the couch and we sing and we

841
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,640
twirl around and then the song's
over, and then we plop back down

842
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,800
on the couch and watch the
movie, keep watching the movie,

843
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,960
and then another song comes on.
So I just do silly, dumb things

844
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,320
like that.
My kids love it.

845
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,560
They pretend like they don't
love it like Mom, do we have to?

846
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,600
Yes, you do get us.
I think a nerd is great and

847
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,640
nerds are the best life, Yeah.
Nerds are the best, yeah.

848
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,480
Yes.
So but then you did something

849
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,960
more, you do more serious things
and you did Celebrity

850
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,120
Apprentice.
I mean, listen, I was on The

851
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,120
Apprentice.
It is hard, OK?

852
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,480
It's like the stress that you
can see the cameras on you.

853
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,760
You're in this environment,
you're stuck in this house with

854
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,160
these people.
I mean, I don't know what the

855
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,280
the setup was.
Did you have to all live

856
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,480
together in the in a house?
So didn't have to live together,

857
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,440
but as you know, it's like
you're spending.

858
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,720
A lot of.
Time nowadays together and

859
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:12,760
that's one thing that that
people there is that

860
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,520
misconception and people don't
realize that competition reality

861
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,000
shows are real.
You cannot fake that you're not

862
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,360
allowed to.
They have legalities, they have

863
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,760
rules.
It is all very real and we were

864
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,080
working on average 16 to 18
hours every day.

865
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,560
Really did have these tasks we
had to complete.

866
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,840
But I loved it.
Like I, I thrive on competition.

867
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,000
I thrive on working and getting
stuff done because I'm a doer

868
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,720
and I know I'll run and I'll do,
you know, do things that other

869
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,120
people won't do 100 like all the
time.

870
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,760
So for me, that was my area of
expertise.

871
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,280
That's where I thrive.
You were thriving.

872
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,480
I did see a scene of when you
went down on your knees to ask

873
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,920
or something what happened.
Yes.

874
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,400
So this was the very beginning
and this was for the very first

875
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,560
task.
And I knew that I had a lot of

876
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,520
money that I was going to raise.
And so the first task was a

877
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,800
money raising task.
So I wanted to be project

878
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,520
manager because I knew I was
going to raise all this money

879
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,440
and I'm and who was it?
Brett Michaels?

880
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,840
He said, oh, I want to be
project manager and blah, blah,

881
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,640
blah.
But he didn't have money coming

882
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,000
in.
He wasn't really a big money

883
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,560
guy.
So I was like, I really need

884
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,720
this task.
So I got on my knees and I

885
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,840
begged.
I said, please, you can have the

886
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,960
next one, blah, blah, blah, give
me this one.

887
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,040
I want to be And I got it.
I got my way.

888
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Yeah, like you're saying,
whatever you need to do and

889
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,280
whatever way, but that's a very
charming and disarming way of

890
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,760
getting what it's very smart.
Yeah, well, I tried.

891
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,840
I tried all the little things
and I had to, I think of the

892
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,720
person that I'm speaking with
trying to get what I want and

893
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,360
and then I knew I figured out
what what was going to work.

894
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,720
So that worked, yes, you've.
Enjoyed your time on on

895
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,960
Celebrity Apprentice and and all
I.

896
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,600
Really did.
I mean, it was a a wonderful

897
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,760
experience.
It was not easy.

898
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,920
People might think it's easy,
right?

899
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:16,320
Definitely not easy.
I learned a lot and I raised a

900
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,760
lot of money for my charity.
So I for me, it was a success.

901
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,600
I I really I would.
Charity.

902
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,880
Over again.
What charity the.

903
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,240
First, first time I did it was
called CPIC, which is California

904
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:32,040
Youth police charities.
And that brings money to ask at

905
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,440
at risk youth like gives them
school scholarships, gives them

906
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,000
computers, stuff they couldn't
normally get if if they didn't

907
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,200
have these programs.
And that was the first time.

908
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,640
Then when I went back for the
All Stars, I did it for charity

909
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,080
called Promises to Kids, which
was a an orphanage in San Diego.

910
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,200
So it brought money to those
kids.

911
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,280
So for me, it was always about
kids.

912
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,360
It was just that that's my.
That's what what touches you.

913
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,000
Yeah, hundred, 100%.
And then you've launched

914
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,960
businesses, you've partnered
with Adam Levine on a luxury

915
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,720
shoe line, created a networking
platform.

916
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:07,720
So you've done, you're pretty
entrepreneurial.

917
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:09,400
So where does that?
Why?

918
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,760
How, where does that come from
the entrepreneurial streak?

919
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,040
Like why do you have that do you
think?

920
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,280
It's not a normal.
Thing.

921
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,680
It's not a normal thing to her.
It's not.

922
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,520
It's really not.
Yeah, I, I, I don't know where

923
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,440
that comes from, but I love
creating.

924
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,760
I love creating things.
Like most everything that I've

925
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,320
done is something where I get to
be creative and start something.

926
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,040
So whenever something doesn't
work out or this business didn't

927
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,080
work out, then I'm ready to do
the next.

928
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,320
I pivot.
So you've never thought about

929
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,880
being an employee employed by
someone in in that traditional

930
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,520
sense.
That's never crossed your mind.

931
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,760
It's always, always been
entrepreneurial.

932
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,120
Is that right?
No, I mean, because when I got

933
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,120
my first job when I was 14, I
got hired, but I didn't start

934
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,400
till I was 15.
I worked at a health club as a

935
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,320
telemarketing manager.
All right.

936
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,960
And I, I worked at that health
club for eight years.

937
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:11,520
So that was I was employed by
this person.

938
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,400
But then when I was in high
school, I was like, high

939
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,520
school's not for me.
I want to get out, I want to

940
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,280
make money.
I want to buy a house.

941
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,040
I wanted I was very much into.
I loved real estate.

942
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,160
My parents always like tore down
and, and fixed up homes and that

943
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,800
was kind of a thing.
So I decided to graduate a year

944
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,080
early and I went to junior
college and I took independent

945
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,800
studies.
So I graduated a year early on

946
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,720
my 17th birthday.
Nice.

947
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,600
And then I went right away to
get my real estate license and

948
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,760
then shortly after that moved to
Hollywood.

949
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,360
But I always that's why I did
work for someone else.

950
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,080
But it's just.
I just.

951
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,240
I like to create and I like to,
I don't.

952
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,560
Know so you have a real estate
license.

953
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,960
Oh yeah, I've had it since I was
18.

954
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,480
So you could be on Selling
Sunset OH.

955
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:10,560
No, because I could, you could.
It's not my.

956
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,840
I don't like doing it for other
people, like listing home and

957
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,440
doing and showing people
properties.

958
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,880
I'll do it for family and
friends and I do it for myself.

959
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,800
I'd like to search and find a
piece of Doo Doo, let's say that

960
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,880
looks like crap, but nobody else
sees the vision because I'm very

961
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,200
much, I don't know what the
right word is.

962
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,160
I don't want to say I guess a
visionary because I can see

963
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,200
something even with my house.
I walked in and there was this

964
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,640
wall and then you have to go
around, go outside, there's all

965
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,040
these trees.
But if you go around the trees,

966
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,560
there's this amazing view.
And I'm like, why would anyone

967
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,720
block that view with trees and a
wall?

968
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:54,080
So guess what I did, I knocked
down the trees, I knocked down

969
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,040
the wall and I did this
beautiful big sliding open door

970
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,120
where you just walk out.
There's the view.

971
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,320
So I, I see that I, I can see
past the ugliness.

972
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,000
I guess that's a good way of
putting it.

973
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,320
So for me, I love going buying
homes that people because most

974
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,920
people can't see past the
ugliness at all.

975
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,680
They can't envision something.
Else, well, it's entrepreneur.

976
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:20,200
It's entrepreneur, it's the idea
and then you're creating, you're

977
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,280
making something.
You can see you're adding value,

978
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,280
you're taking something, you're
transforming it, you're turning

979
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,000
into it because it's a business.
You can sell that.

980
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,400
Then because it's got this
superb view, but you're doing,

981
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,320
you're adding value to things.
That's just an entrepreneurial

982
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,440
mindset.
Good way to put it, because

983
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,840
that's the way I look at it when
I, I feel like I add value to

984
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,480
things.
So thank you for saying that.

985
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,680
Yeah.
I, I think so too.

986
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,000
So has there ever been a moment
where you've been

987
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,040
underestimated, you know, a lot
where you've had to sort of go,

988
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,840
OK, and let me, let me, let me
show you who I am.

989
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,240
Has there been a moment like
that?

990
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,640
That you.
Nothing too major, but I do have

991
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,800
a story, like even what that has
to do with The Celebrity

992
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,600
Apprentice.
Okay, so when we were talking

993
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,840
about my agent was talking with
them, they weren't 100% sold on

994
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,680
me because as you know, with The
Apprentice, you have to have

995
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,320
that business acumen.
You have to show your smarts,

996
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,520
right?
So they, the producers, wanted

997
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,960
to meet with me.
So we went and had lunch at the

998
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,200
Beverly Hills Hotel and we were
talking and I was telling them

999
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,000
and explaining to them about all
my businesses and what I do.

1000
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,880
And they're like, OK, we get it.
OK, yes, you're very intelligent

1001
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,360
and that's great.
And they said, but what about

1002
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,480
like celebrities bringing in
money and all that?

1003
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,160
Do you have that?
Can you do that?

1004
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,560
Because that's a big part of the
show.

1005
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,720
The celebrity version is
bringing in celebrities and

1006
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:48,120
money.
To raise the.

1007
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,640
Charity, Yeah.
So we're sitting there and as

1008
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:56,120
they ask that question, I kid
you not, Russell Simmons and

1009
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,240
Brett Ratner walk into the
restaurant across the room.

1010
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:02,240
Brandy, what's up?
And they come walking up.

1011
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,520
And at the time, this was 2008,
Brett Ratner was probably the

1012
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:11,480
hottest director at the Rush
Hour just came out and he's

1013
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,600
doing all these big movies.
Russell Simmons and his freaking

1014
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,720
music producer.
Massive.

1015
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,520
And they're I get up and give me
a hug and they walk to their

1016
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,880
table.
And I said to them, I said, does

1017
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,240
that answer your question?
And they're like you're hired.

1018
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,880
I love that.
I love that.

1019
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,200
That's so cool.
I love that that happened.

1020
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,360
It was.
A perfect moment.

1021
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,880
I mean it, It almost was like I
paid him and planned it or

1022
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,080
something, but it couldn't have
been more perfect timing.

1023
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,680
Yeah, it's lovely that it was
genuine as well, that that adds

1024
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:46,000
to the beautifulness of it.
So you have a new movie,

1025
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:53,480
Mindful, and not only are you in
it, you directed the movie.

1026
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,040
Like seriously and starred in
it.

1027
00:56:57,720 --> 00:56:58,720
How?
You produced.

1028
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:03,640
It and and you produced it.
Let's just I just step back.

1029
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,320
You did all that OK.
You went from active you when

1030
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,480
you say you, you you pivot.
You really pivot yeah, you've

1031
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,760
done all these things.
That is huge to have done that

1032
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,040
yeah.
How why how did it go?

1033
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,800
Are you happy with it?
Tell me I'm.

1034
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,400
Very happy with, I'm very happy
with it.

1035
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:29,080
And I just, I was at a time when
I, I have to make the next step,

1036
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,880
right?
And the next step for me was

1037
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,440
creating my own project.
And when this came about, it was

1038
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,040
kind of during COVID and there
was no work right there.

1039
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,000
You weren't allowed to, There
was no work.

1040
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,560
And so I'm, I'm just like, well,
I've got to do something.

1041
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,280
I'm not going to sit around and,
but I've been in the business

1042
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,760
for so long.
I have so many connections, so

1043
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,440
much experience.
I'm like, I think I can do this.

1044
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,840
I think I can do this on my own.
But that being said, there was a

1045
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,880
lot to learn and I'm lucky that
I know a lot of people in the

1046
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,720
business.
So I made a lot of phone calls

1047
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,960
all the time and I listened and
I asked questions and I

1048
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,640
researched and I read and I
probably listened to a million

1049
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,520
books a week.
So I I felt I was ready and I

1050
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,960
wanted to create something that
was familiar to me and that's

1051
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,480
the genre horror films.
That's.

1052
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,120
Like, yeah, it's it's I love it
too.

1053
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,680
And one of the things, but of
course, I'm a business person,

1054
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,240
right?
So I talked to my producer

1055
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,200
friends and said, what is the
easiest genre to sell?

1056
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,720
Because yeah, I'm going to make
this movie.

1057
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,360
And I'm not just going to make a
movie to make a movie.

1058
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,480
I'm going to do it to make
money.

1059
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,200
So they all said at the time was
horror.

1060
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,960
So it went hand in hand.
It was perfect because that's

1061
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,040
what I wanted to do.
And so I, I did it and, and it

1062
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,920
wasn't easy.
It was not easy.

1063
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,600
No, it's not easy.
I mean you with the film, it's

1064
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,240
all the different angles and the
the, the I mean so much, you

1065
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,800
know, being on apprentice,
something like that, you learn

1066
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,840
what goes into a very serious
production.

1067
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,920
Also, you know, the podcast
studio, the camera work, the

1068
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,760
sound editing, the different
types of cameras, the lenses,

1069
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,640
the the possibilities of how to
shoot that it just, you walk

1070
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,240
look into it and it is Pandora's
box.

1071
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,560
So you must have had to learn
very, very quickly.

1072
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,520
I had to learn quickly.
There was always hurdles and

1073
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,040
roadblocks that we had to pivot
and get around.

1074
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,600
It was constant from the very
beginning, from the pre

1075
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,840
production all the way to post
production.

1076
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:30,440
But I will say, as hard as it
was, I, I would do it again in a

1077
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,280
second all the time, all day
long.

1078
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,440
This is the job that I would do
for free.

1079
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,720
You know, they always say you'll
never work a day in your life if

1080
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,680
you do what you love.
And that's why I feel about

1081
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,040
producing a film and acting and
I, I just, I love it so much.

1082
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,520
But again, it is freaking hard,
but I love it.

1083
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,000
You know, it's like, it's so
funny that they could be the

1084
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,800
same thing, right?
That you can love something

1085
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,080
that's so hard, but it but it's
so true.

1086
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,760
And the first day of being on
set, I just, I remember pulling

1087
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:07,000
up and I looked around and it
was just this most amazing.

1088
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,000
I'm almost getting emotional
just thinking about it.

1089
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,560
It's like it was the most
amazing feeling.

1090
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,040
Wow.
I did this and it just felt so

1091
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,000
good.
I felt confident, I was excited

1092
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,160
and I couldn't wait for it to
start.

1093
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:26,360
So I think that it's fun when
you can find something that you

1094
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,640
love, that you're so passionate.
About when you speak, you are.

1095
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,240
It sounds to me, and I'm I'm
picking up the energy all the

1096
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,480
way from across the pond You're
in.

1097
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:41,000
You are in the right place at
the right time, doing exactly

1098
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,560
what you should be doing.
Feel it.

1099
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,040
Yeah, it's a cool thing.
It's pretty neat.

1100
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,560
That's awesome.
So what's next for you, Brandy?

1101
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:51,800
What?
What's next?

1102
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,320
More movies?
What do you think?

1103
01:00:54,280 --> 01:01:00,280
Well, I have my my book here of
all my ideas and I write a lot.

1104
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,640
I'm very creative.
I mean, I like to write stories

1105
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,320
and I have a lot of different
movies and I have a lot of

1106
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,800
different series.
So once I get Wineville, you

1107
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,440
know, really off and running
everywhere, then I can really

1108
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,920
sit down at that moment in my
life and pick like which of my

1109
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,800
stories am I passionate about
right now in this moment that I

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want to pursue?
Because I have all over the

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board stories, comedies, horror,
thrillers, real life tragedies,

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like real, real life fun thing.
Like there's so many different

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thoughts I have.
And so depending on where my

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life is at in a couple months,
once I've got Wineville off and

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running, I will decide which
avenue I want to go.

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But it will be a film or a, you
know, ATV series, definitely.

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01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,960
I'm sure to speaking to you it's
going to be a whole bunch of

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different things, so we better
see trap on and see what it is.

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01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,920
Yes, trap on.
Brandy, it's been an absolute

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01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,120
pleasure talking to you.
Thank you so much.

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01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,520
I can't wait to see what you do
next and thank.

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01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:09,040
You, well, I love it.
Your listeners would do a fellow

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01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:13,560
apprentice entrepreneur
independent film a solid.

1124
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,920
I would love it if everyone
would go out and watch wine

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though.
We're gonna watch Wine, though.

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01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,520
We are gonna post links.
We, we will post all of the

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links and, and all of that for
sure on our on our channel.

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01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,320
So everyone will be able to see
the movie for sure.

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01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,120
And we'll make it easy.
But yeah, it's been it's been

1130
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,000
amazing having you on.
Thank you.

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01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,360
Thank you, I had so much fun
chatting with you.