What War Taught Me About Business

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this is an interesting one I interview Mark 
Mosley who is a former Soldier he's now the

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owner of a pest control company obviously 
ex BBC Apprentice candidate um this guy

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has done some wild stuff we covered The 
Apprentice but I mean as his time as a

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soldier he's had tea with the Taliban okay 
he's almost been killed numerous times so

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this was a really interesting interview and 
you're definitely going to want to tune in

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hi Mark hello Alexandra you ready for this 
podcast I'm ready for this podcast scared

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a little bit scared but no I'm never scared but 
it' be fine I'm joking no you're you're a former

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Soldier you're not going to be scared of this I 
hope this this is nothing for you no we will'll

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see words can hurt sometimes and a security 
specialist yeah so I spent a bit of time in

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security yeah and an entrepreneur Y and an ex 
BBC candidate correct there's no way you skip

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of this podcast no it'll be all right although 
what are you thinking being interviewed by another

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crazy X BBC Apprentice yeah it's nice to actually 
see the different side of the stories how everyone

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felt about the process it was an experience I feel 
like it's the new people's turn now but it's it

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always plays in your memory sometimes should I 
have done that should I have done this shouldn't

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I have done that but it's one of these things 
I think it's geared up for I personally think

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so I've done my research before going into The 
Apprentice so I'm a numbers man I love numbers

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so I looked at all the stats and there was stats 
like Lord sugar never invested in anyone over the

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age of 31 from the show and I at the time I was 
39 and I was thinking so he not looking good his

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most of his last candidates had been girls around 
the age of 28 the females seems to be the one yeah

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I think I it was like that last 34 candidates who 
made it to the interview stages uh 29 were females

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and six were guys and I was like blind me what 
is going on here is the girls that good at this

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process and then I dug a little deeper and then I 
found C Brady and I was like ah that might be the

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reason but that was all all good fun and yeah it 
was all I love the process in the end interesting

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stud so you appeared in 2023 right it was Series 
17 yep so how many weeks did you last before you

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got cold yes before I got the dreaded finger it 
was 8 weeks on air but about 5 and a half weeks

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in normal time but 17 was my lucky number I 
was born on the 17th of March St Patrick's

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Day right when I found out it was Series 17 I 
thought oh I'm going to win this and I got put

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in a hotel and it was room 17 at quarantining 
and then when I walked into that waiting room

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I was the 17th candidate to walk in cuz I was 
counting people and you all stood there scared

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and one more person so I was like 17th Series 17 
it's suspicious isn't it so I was thought I've

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won this already everyone so just maybe not one 
but it was your destiny to be honored on Series

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17 which you were yeah but then eight wasn't your 
lucky numberb you were Al we so why were you fired

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I was fired because I the team just didn't sell 
enough tickets we're going to a little so was the

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team's fault is it no not at all I would start 
accountability or yeah I'll take all the account

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it was a yeah we went into the brainstorm as they 
call it and everyone wants to try and make as much

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money as possible so you've just gone to a we' 
just driven up to a little rural Market town in

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shopia and we sat in this brainstorm got £ 150 a 
ticket 200 a ticket and once we left that meeting

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I'm sat there I don't think I'd pay £ 150 to2 
200 to go and watch my favorite band play when

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Stadium I know oers are playing there now maybe 
then but I thought this is ridiculous we've got to

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drop the price down to about £90 £100 cuz people 
are just doing an Impulse buyer to a prison and

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yeah and then that got brought up quite a lot in 
my fireing and you're just chopping and changing

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you're changing the prices and I was going we 
could have been selling tickets to the moon no

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one's going to be paying 100 150 for a ticket to 
a prison on a Saturday when it's their week so

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were you quite adamant and stuck to your guns and 
did you listen to the feedback or you like to yeah

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I know I don't mind listening to feedback but 
yeah once we'd left the brainstorm I realized

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you you know process what you've just spoke about 
you think this is not puts a spotlight on you yeah

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it does so if anything goes wrong it'll be like 
that's the disruptor he needs to get fired because

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they're like a bunch of animals they go for you 
and oh yeah everyone tries to save their own skin

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but think I'd never been project man yourself this 
no well I'd never been project manager so I told

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everyone in the brain said well everyone just take 
a step back cuz he's coming for me so if I don't

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be project manager this time yes yeah it was all I 
think they wanted me secretly to go in week uh six

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there had been a few um you know issues behind 
the scenes if you like and um so I think they

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had it for me for week six but thankfully for me 
in Dubai people were going down with seasickness

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someone else whacked their head on our team so we 
lost half of our team and I thought needed you yes

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the other team somehow magically had a 60% refund 
and we won the task and I was we were like nice

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well done well done were you were your feelings 
hurt though when you got fired a little bit were

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Eco damage I felt my heart going you feel your 
heart going it's going DK I thought it's coming

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now the bom's scary yeah it's so cold as well 
I think it's all the air conditioning yeah yeah

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to keep all those millions of cameras cool this is 
it yeah and there a lot of people stood around the

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boardroom that no one sees and you're thinking 
oh my God everyone when it's your turn to talk

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you just got 50 eyes on you and you're thinking 
oh my God don't say the boardroom I I wish that

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I I could get a hold of all the footage and play 
all the stuff they didn't show so you're quoted

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as saying that Lord sugar is missing a trick 
yeah if he doesn't pick you he didn't pick you

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so what trick is he missing the pest control 
industry is very lucrative at the moment many

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pest control companies are being bought up by some 
of the bigger guys and it's the best time at the

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moment to sell a pest control company so if he was 
invested in me we'd be probably exiting with seven

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figures quite comfortably now and he would have 
you reckon easy well yeah I'm not going to go too

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much into my the business finances but yes we've 
had offers already which is great the business

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does very well and the show has helped with 
that it's opened quite a lot of doors which is

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a bonus gives you credibility and that's the main 
thing that comes from the that's the thing you

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might have gone out in week eight but you've got 
your business you're running businesses you're

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doing several things and legitimate money making 
businesses yes that's it it comes down to actually

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you must have a fairly you know sharp head on 
your shoulders to be able to carry on manage

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get on yeah to even get on the show I think it's 
you've got to be a character to get on that show

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that was the whole point but it was only when 
I was watching there's 20 people in a room and

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you'll stand behind a bit of paper and they say 30 
seconds to sell yourself and there's people there

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going I've got a great idea de for Lord sugar 
and I thought this is stupid don't worry about

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ideas just be funny so I just went in and said you 
like Pin ears back you are looking at the series

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17 Apprentice winner I'm opinionated I'm a bit of 
a charm as you can all see and he got a bit of a

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laugh and then they were like number one five and 
seven go to the back of the room and that was me

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I was at the back of room to the next stage yeah 
but it was yeah like I say we that was ruthless

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that whole stuff you know you out you you stay you 
I speak so that's it yeah and then it's interviews

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I remember speaking to the chief exec the TV 
company and then one of his AIDS Lord Sugar's AIDS

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and they said come on then why you and I said to 
him I said if you think of Tesla who do you think

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of and he Chief EXA went Elon Musk and I said to 
the Lord suar said if you think of Amazon who do

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you think of Jeff Bezos I said when you think 
of pest control you're going to think of Mark

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Mosley and they both laughed and they went up 
you go so was it next LIF and I was like said

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to the runner I said I can't go up anymore I said 
I've got four hours on my parking I ended up with

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a parking ticket when I left there eight hours 
later and I missed my friend's um 40th birthday

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as well in Norfolk so I had to tell his wife on 
the group chat can't make it cars broke down oh

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yeah cuz you can't tell anyone can you yeah I 
also heard you saying that you're the best rat

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catcher in the world best rat catcher in London 
oh in London not the world then pretty good rat's

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quite intelligent animal these big Ambitions 
you've got to extend that it's a world Universe

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you can take over the world yeah Pest Control 
you don't worried about the world so much you

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just worried about major cities that's where the 
pests are where there's lots of people there's

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going to be lots of pests so is the experience 
The Apprentice experience what you expected or

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not and if not how how I mean it wasn't you don't 
what you're going into you're going into a blind

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process I think the hardest thing is you are 
having your phones taken off you you got no

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contact with the outside world the internet and I 
remember I left the process and then one morning I

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woke up and I thought I was talking to one of the 
guys in my room on The Apprentice and I'm talking

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to him what time is it this that the other and I 
realized I was like Jesus Christ I'm it was last

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week I was there I'm back home now and it was like 
like a short version of PTSD but anyway so it was

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it was a strange run but no but the process like 
I say the show gives you credibility which is the

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main thing that's what you want so if people try 
and Google you now they might be able to say oh

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he's a pest controller he's not out going to try 
and rip us off or anything so it gives you that

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credibility and people trust in you a bit more 
whereas if you're just Joe blogs no one depends

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how you're made to look it might take away from 
The credibility I've spoken to EXC candidates

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where they've been made to look a certain way it 
doesn't necessarily give you that credibility to

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be quite it's it's how you're edited so you've 
got to I think main thing if you're on the show

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and anyone's going on the show you've just got 
to play the game you've got to try and however

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they want you to act however they want you to be 
and if they want you to be a bit silly after week

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two I knew it was a lot of manipulation so what do 
you mean by that there's a lot of things going on

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week one the re we're in tigga and you know that 
they've got to try and get customers to sell us we

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they're telling us to go plac and there's people 
there and one person we got to this bar one night

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try and sell these tickets and this person was 
like are you from the BBC we're like what we just

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come to sell your tickets no they rounded us all 
up and told us to be here from the beach and we

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were like oh here we go and then I thought about 
it I thought maybe they've got to make a TV show

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so let's they round a few people so we can sell 
tickets to and when it got to week two there was

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just so many numbers getting there one of the big 
judges got their numbers wrong something like yet

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had to make a minimum of 200 Bell buns and the 
girls had made 180 B buns but they won the task

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and I was like that doesn't make sense and the 
girls corporate client wanted 80 bow buns ours

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wanted 50 bow buns so we're already £ 150 now 
before we started the task so in the end I just

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after that task I just started laughing I said 
that's it I'm just going to have fun now because

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it's a lot of manipulation one of the girls 
Shannon on it she was like this is ridiculous

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this is this is not when she means this what 
is it it's them doing what the manipulation to

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try and say this team are going to win yeah of 
course they want car crash TV for entertainment

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so yeah Shannon brilliant do you think it's a fair 
game then do you think I think they've got their

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favorites but it's whether it's a fair game or not 
they'll if your face fits and you you're okay and

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they think oh we'd be able to work with you you're 
fine but if there's a bit too much push back from

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yourself and you're like no that's wrong this is 
wrong they don't like it but yeah but the girl

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Shannon I think she's probably the most successful 
out of all the candidates and she was left on week

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two and said this is just ridiculous because of 
the manipulation yeah because it's not business

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acum and that's what it was but at the same 
time people love it I wouldn't I wouldn't start

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putting things down too much because the public 
loved the apprentice and they like to feel good

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about themselves when they see other people going 
bad yes and you love it and it's entertaining and

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it's fun and everything however if you're in 
that situation and made to look a certain way

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then obviously it's not that fun concerned about 
because there's some people that will go on that

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will be more concerned about their personal Brands 
than because they need to be maybe they're more

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corporate or whatever maybe they've got family and 
things like that so they're a bit more sensitive

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and careful yeah there was there was people plann 
it like that there was a few of the guys were

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really reserved and then when we left um one 
of the guys on my year said how he's I wish i'

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had done what you were like you just tried to be 
funny and just tried to have a laugh more and I'll

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try and not be the class clown but I'll have a 
laugh it's definitely the way forward treat it is

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entertainment so go for the entertainment side for 
sure if if you're going to stay in so what was it

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like living with the other Apprentice candidates 
it was good we got on really well yeah was it

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not good for yourself no and I went to boarding 
school and I lived with all sorts but this crowd

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oh you weren't the you weren't ostracized out of 
the group were you no it's just the snoring yeah

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but also the I suppose the noise from production 
coming I couldn't sleep very well because I would

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always I knew that they were trying to come to 
film us so they was Pitch up with their little

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cars outside I knew they were going to come 
in at any moment and start camera in your face

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was funny we'd hear we'd hear the driveway go 
she'd hear the vehicles pull up and then I'd ABY

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in my room he was a character real nice chat and 
he would do press UPS before they come in so one

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morning yeah it's funny so one one morning I just 
got naked and I stood at the window sill and I was

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like when they come in my backs side's going to be 
on they were going please don't do this Mar please

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don't do this Mark and I was like No And then 
just as they were about to come in I was like oh

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I better just put my boxes back on but I thought 
CU if you're barging into someone's room you don't

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know what you're going to find so I was just 
going to stand there with a cup of tea my back

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but I thought I better not cuz that'll get me 
in too much trouble just trying to have a bit

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of fun with it there's something about when 
you're not eating that much and sleeping that

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much that things aren't that funny anymore so 
like we had that when people would like like I

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said the people you live with singing and like 
really loud when you three minutes that you've

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got sleep that you're allowed that you're trying 
to sleep yeah right heavier topic you were in a

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race row a race row with Shazia Hussein yes who 
made a complaint over your behavior on the show

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for leaving her feeling unsafe and distressed 
following an incident that occurred so can you

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talk us through in your opinion what happened 
there was we would just won a task it was

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task three we'd made a cartoon and we weren't on 
actually on the same we were on the same team but

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not the same sub team and it was all to do with 
the name of this bloody giraffe it was yogita the

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giraffe and we were saying yogita two to four 
year olds whatever age category was wouldn't

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be able to pronounce this if we said gaita that 
works perfectly cuz kids Mama dad GA work Works

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anyway the other team there was heated arguments 
and then when it came to there was half the team

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were watching on a TV screen in the old Dragon's 
Den and the other half were presenting it to these

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BBC children cartoon people and yeah and shazi was 
going they're doing it wrong this should be right

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so let let them carry on blah blah and then she 
said something said like I thought you would say

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that with the way you are it was indicating that 
me and the other guys stood Next To Me Brad were

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who we are our demographic our background so on 
and so forth so we just zipped up and just went

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quiet and then when it came to winning the task 
and the judges love the name and all this lot and

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we won the task and we were in I don't know shage 
doing a little cheers with some cocktail and then

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yeah shazi made a comment and said we went cheers 
and she went the task that I won us and I was like

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so I said you really are toxic and that was it so 
cuz it got personal that was all I said okay and

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that was it and next thing there I want him kicked 
off the show and all this thinking oh my God

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was she saying that to with the production who 
were behind the camera and the cameraman he's now

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trying to get it filming it it's all been filmed 
and then when it came out we i' been forewarned

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when the show was airing because later on I won't 
say too much but other things had happened like

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production person started crying was made to cry 
legal threats by yeah this individual yes all

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this was going on so these things had nothing the 
subsequent incidents that these all other nothing

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to do with you yeah nothing so the sugar basically 
switched us over with the teams he was like you're

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going different and then other things happened 
and then I heard like screaming and shouting

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and we're going to take you to court and all this 
thinking oh my God so everyone just quieted really

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went quiet and when the show got aired and Shazia 
went in whatever week she went in four or five or

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six I'm not sure which one it was I knew something 
was going to be coming out a week later but it was

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also it it was said you're toxic that was it yeah 
did the pr team speak to you about that yeah just

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really briefly yeah I got loads of phone calls I 
missed 25 phone calls from the pr team the Press

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team okay just hold that for a second Apprentice 
launched an investigation into this into these

0:15:37.840,0:15:43.200
allegations do you know what happened what the 
outcome was of that investigation it was all these

0:15:43.200,0:15:49.440
HR people we've got had a diversity and inclusion 
person came in um and spoke to us all as a group

0:15:49.440,0:15:54.520
and then I was getting Mark can you go and speak 
to there was funny the one of these HR people

0:15:54.520,0:15:58.920
came in and it was a woman and she goes I want 
you to talk me through exactly what happened so

0:15:59.480,0:16:04.160
so it was boys versus girls uh on the previous 
task well I'm going to stop you there because

0:16:04.160,0:16:09.680
um it's not boys and girls they're adolescent to 
boys and girls you are adults and straight away

0:16:09.680,0:16:14.320
my back's going up and I was like okay I'll try 
and keep I said okay so it was Gentleman versus

0:16:14.320,0:16:19.880
ladies she went okay I'll stop you again ladies 
are someone with a title like in the monarchy and

0:16:19.880,0:16:24.800
now my back is really up so I don't want to talk 
to this person and I'm thinking don't belittle

0:16:24.800,0:16:30.480
me I'm just trying to tell you the story and 
basically it was the This Guy's in the wrong

0:16:30.480,0:16:36.080
uh he's going to be interrogated and then more HR 
people one two HR ladies I got woken up on a our

0:16:36.080,0:16:41.040
day off it was about 7 in the morning I said Mark 
some HR people here to see you I here we go got

0:16:41.040,0:16:46.320
downstairs and they said we've listened to all of 
the rushes they call it where they listen to audio

0:16:46.320,0:16:49.720
and they say it's all you've not done anything 
wrong yes you've been personal and called someone

0:16:49.720,0:16:53.560
toxic but there's nothing they've said that okay 
so I'm just going to read this um according to

0:16:53.560,0:16:59.120
the Metro a spokesperson for The Apprentice 
BBC The Apprentice said The Apprentice had

0:16:59.120,0:17:05.000
Zero Tolerance on racist bullying the duty of care 
and Welfare of all the candidates is of utmost

0:17:05.000,0:17:11.080
importance and when action is required we take it 
so apparently they they researched it and whatever

0:17:11.080,0:17:16.720
and candidates sign up to strict code of conduct 
and if there was evidence of racist bullying

0:17:16.720,0:17:21.520
candidates would immediately be removed from the 
process that was it my feet wouldn't have touched

0:17:21.520,0:17:25.360
the ground but everyone in that house everyone's 
normal nice people do you know what I mean no

0:17:25.360,0:17:31.280
one's out to be that racist or whatever any phobes 
you can come up with there's Millions out there

0:17:31.280,0:17:36.160
these days but yes and that was all it was but 
and then when these two HR people they went look

0:17:36.160,0:17:40.040
your next task is the motorbike task and then you 
off to Dubai and none of us have been told about

0:17:40.040,0:17:44.920
Dubai and I thought they've just let it slip so I 
left there now and I was like I might just go and

0:17:44.920,0:17:51.000
tell a couple of people anyway oh you know went 
told a couple of the lads I said look basically

0:17:51.000,0:17:55.080
they've just let slip we're off to Dubai so we 
need to get through this next task to get to Du to

0:17:55.080,0:18:00.160
go to Dubai and yeah and I told a few people and 
then they told a few people most of the candidates

0:18:00.160,0:18:05.360
knew and I'm like oh why did I say this is going 
to put me in bad stook have you reached out to

0:18:05.360,0:18:11.560
Shia at all to just say look you misunderstood my 
situation or whatever did you um I've had a had

0:18:11.560,0:18:16.760
my 40th birthday um which was and I invited all 
the candidates invited her of course I did yeah

0:18:16.760,0:18:23.960
everyone's you I invited all the cast crew and 
everyone so everyone got invited um but she didn't

0:18:23.960,0:18:28.280
turn up but no there's no odd feelings I wish you 
all the best it was just the Heat of the Moment

0:18:28.280,0:18:34.160
right okay we'll move away from we'll move away 
from The Apprentice right now as you a soldier

0:18:34.160,0:18:39.760
yes why did you join the Army I'd had enough of 
school actually I joined at 16 so as soon as I

0:18:39.760,0:18:44.080
done my gc's I just signed up to the military I 
didn't really want to go College University and

0:18:44.080,0:18:49.120
it wasn't because I got bad grades I did a lot A's 
B's and C's and all the major ones and I joined

0:18:49.120,0:18:53.360
the military at 16 I thought right and I wanted 
to go in the Infantry but because of my GC grades

0:18:53.360,0:18:57.800
were okay they said we want you to go into the 
Royal engineers and not the Infantry so I anyway I

0:18:57.800,0:19:04.560
joined the Royal engineers 16 years of age it was 
great and then yeah after two years of training in

0:19:04.560,0:19:09.040
Ro engineered Building Bridges demolitions and 
You' been an electrician two years later I got

0:19:09.040,0:19:13.520
sent out to Germany my first posting which yeah 
I stayed in Germany for seven years and i' do six

0:19:13.520,0:19:18.440
months Germany 6 months on tour somewhere so just 
in general what was it like serving your country

0:19:18.440,0:19:23.400
as a soldier it was good it's all about meeting 
the people being in the regiment I was in you've

0:19:23.400,0:19:28.960
got people from all over the country so Scottish 
guys Welsh guys and we all just thrown into

0:19:28.960,0:19:34.360
the boiling part of basic training but it was 
fantastic I I loved it were you proud you know

0:19:34.360,0:19:37.960
yeah of course you when you pass out after basic 
training your mom and dad are there and you stood

0:19:37.960,0:19:43.240
there and number two outfit and you of course you 
feel proud but at the same time it's you're not

0:19:43.240,0:19:47.520
doing it for I shouldn't say queen and Country at 
the time it was Queen and Country you're doing it

0:19:47.520,0:19:51.680
just for one it's a job and two now you've been 
with all these people you enjoy it's like working

0:19:51.680,0:19:58.040
as I sometimes look at countries like the states 
and even Poland where I'm from and that they

0:19:58.040,0:20:04.080
really do treasure their military if you say I'm 
military oh wow respect immediate respect I don't

0:20:04.080,0:20:08.560
think we have enough of that in this country like 
we don't value our military enough we should we

0:20:08.560,0:20:13.640
should really well the Americans American people 
American soldiers and they'll walk through a train

0:20:13.640,0:20:18.560
station and they all get clapped whereas at the 
moment like we used to go out um and they used

0:20:18.560,0:20:23.560
to the bouncers used to say to us are you in the 
military and you say yeah and they say we're not

0:20:23.560,0:20:27.200
coming in tonight as though it's like a standard 
thing that all the military guys will be fighting

0:20:27.200,0:20:32.120
so I know you've gone to of interesting places 
with the Army done some cool things but one of

0:20:32.120,0:20:38.480
the best stories I think has something to do with 
the Taliban so tell us about that in 2003 we got

0:20:38.480,0:20:46.240
sent out to Afghanistan U maah shareif was the 
province and we got sent into this derel sort of

0:20:46.240,0:20:50.960
house if you like it was a row of houses and when 
you think of houses it's more like say mud Huts

0:20:50.960,0:20:55.520
but you can see it's a big mud hut if you like 
so they said this is going to be a Norwegian safe

0:20:55.520,0:21:00.680
house so we want you to basically Build It Up we 
need to put toilets in there we need to put sewage

0:21:00.680,0:21:03.920
system in the back garden and things and when we 
were digging up the back Gardens we were digging

0:21:03.920,0:21:08.520
up like bones of people and it was like oh my God 
whereas if you dig up a bone of a person now like

0:21:08.520,0:21:13.320
what happened with is it King Richard or they dug 
up in a car park all the construction work has to

0:21:13.320,0:21:20.280
stop but that wasn't the case bones to the side 
and um we'd made these showers where uh basically

0:21:20.280,0:21:25.440
it's a solar shower so you put your bag put some 
water in a bag the sun heats it up you hang it up

0:21:25.440,0:21:30.680
and then you have a shower underneath it so we're 
having our shower was and next door the Taliban

0:21:30.680,0:21:35.680
who Liv next door and they would be stood there 
with AK-47 you know automatic rifles just looking

0:21:35.680,0:21:40.200
at us having a shower and you're like mate what's 
going on they just stood there so we're thinking

0:21:40.200,0:21:43.720
we were all friends at the time they invited us 
around for dinner it was crazy the what did they

0:21:43.720,0:21:48.000
cook for you it was lamb it was like a yeah it 
was like a lamb stew the meat was on the bone

0:21:48.000,0:21:51.960
you trust it it was right the meat was on the bone 
I don't like meat on the bone but yeah we had this

0:21:51.960,0:21:56.800
lamb stew it was great and in the middle of the 
night you'd hear like a big commotion going on

0:21:56.800,0:22:01.360
they'd all go off in one of these like open back 
trucks like man what is going on out there and we

0:22:01.360,0:22:05.520
weren't seen as a threat so we were all friends 
with the Taliban so they would go off fighting

0:22:05.520,0:22:09.960
other rebels in town and then they would come back 
and we thinking what has gone on so we were all we

0:22:09.960,0:22:14.080
were living in the basement of this building with 
our rifles stood too thinking is this going to

0:22:14.080,0:22:18.320
come for us and uh and about obiously two or three 
years later even though we were friends with the

0:22:18.320,0:22:23.240
Taliban two or three years later um that will 
change when things heated up and I can imagine

0:22:23.240,0:22:27.120
I heard the Norwegian safe F just got blown up 
straight away even though we'd built it as soon

0:22:27.120,0:22:32.760
as things heated up a bit more and the troops had 
finally moved into Afghanistan anything we'd built

0:22:32.760,0:22:36.920
just got blown up I think overnight but um it 
was interesting at the time it's the political

0:22:36.920,0:22:41.400
situation we' just walk to go and get water in 
the morning two of us would just walk through town

0:22:41.400,0:22:46.080
with our rifles people would Shake our hands say 
hello really friendly and Things fill up yeah a

0:22:46.080,0:22:50.360
load of solar showers with this well all the kids 
would be around us and we'd walk back with the

0:22:50.360,0:22:57.000
wheelbarrow full of all these solar shower water 
Waterfield to shower sorry and then you shouldn't

0:22:57.000,0:23:01.080
obviously be able to do that these days cuz yeah 
what happened but it was an interesting time but

0:23:01.080,0:23:06.680
we got to see it before War really got announced 
in Afghanistan all depends where you are spend

0:23:06.680,0:23:11.560
quite a lot of time in cabal it is like going back 
and I'll be careful I don't to upset anyone but

0:23:11.560,0:23:16.600
it's like going back to a third world if you like 
really going back 100 or 200 years except they've

0:23:16.600,0:23:20.680
got electricity we've got more electricity that's 
what it's like especially in like the remote areas

0:23:20.680,0:23:25.600
like you go out to the Ford operating bases and 
there's just nothing there I mean we used to get

0:23:25.600,0:23:29.800
I remember we went down to one Ford operating base 
and we had to go and build a big watchtower and it

0:23:29.800,0:23:35.600
was called fob shank it was an American base but 
it got more indirect fire from mortars and Rockets

0:23:35.600,0:23:40.920
a day than the whole of Afghanistan other all the 
other camps put together so when I was down there

0:23:40.920,0:23:45.200
it was just constant the alarms are going off take 
cover and you just running for the closest bunkers

0:23:45.200,0:23:49.760
and things and you're hearing bang you're thinking 
oh my God please don't land on me you no wonder

0:23:49.760,0:23:56.480
Apprentice was fine for you about that I was still 
shaking that's the sort of practice you you need

0:23:56.480,0:24:02.040
in a way to go into that I think so you traveled 
for 18 months after the Army and apparently

0:24:02.040,0:24:07.640
you visited over 100 countries can you list the 
countries please now let's let's let's I'd love

0:24:07.640,0:24:13.360
to list all 100 let's see what you can list then 
go I'll list my favorites so for scenery without a

0:24:13.360,0:24:17.840
doubt it's got to be the South Island New Zealand 
probably most beautiful place I've ever been to

0:24:17.840,0:24:23.600
just list well list them all let go I could list 
the countries like list the countries that I

0:24:23.600,0:24:27.320
travel through just start off with Afghanistan I 
obviously well I was traveling but I go through

0:24:27.320,0:24:40.040
the alphabet go Afghanistan Austria aaban Belgium 
Cameroon Congo Chad Denmark Dominican Republic

0:24:40.040,0:24:45.280
Egypt England Finland that's a beautiful place if 
you go to Santa Claus village every Christmas yeah

0:24:45.280,0:24:51.080
do you want me to keep going keep going I'll be 
here all keep going H you're only on nine I know

0:24:51.080,0:24:58.480
but yeah I can just maybe I'll just go through the 
America joking Australia New Zealand Thailand uh

0:24:58.480,0:25:02.280
tell me some of the most unusual tell me three 
really unusual places that people wouldn't have

0:25:02.280,0:25:06.680
heard of there are ones that people don't go to 
on holiday let's say so we got sent to the cono

0:25:06.680,0:25:11.280
for four months and anyone any of my mates who 
watched this be like oh not about the bloody

0:25:11.280,0:25:16.600
Congo again but that was an interesting time 
so um there had been a a fight between these

0:25:16.600,0:25:21.720
two militias in bu and we had to go and build a 
Runway and then build an apron off this Runway

0:25:21.720,0:25:26.960
to get more aiding and when we're there I'll be 
trying want to keep it too serious but a French

0:25:26.960,0:25:32.680
journalist turned up and um he went down into the 
town and only his head came back and there I was

0:25:32.680,0:25:37.720
about to ask you did you take your malaria tablets 
when you God lariam yeah so you also say that

0:25:37.720,0:25:44.320
You' met a lot of people hundreds of people and 
including royal family including celebrities tell

0:25:44.320,0:25:50.760
me the three biggest name um let's have it who's 
the first one breakfast with Princess Anne she's

0:25:50.760,0:25:57.200
nice isn't she she's beautiful like just such a 
lovely person disciplined wonderful woman yeah um

0:25:57.200,0:26:03.880
it's a good one yeah uh I met Prince Harry but it 
was only just a handshake but so it's again it's

0:26:03.880,0:26:09.440
the RO family okay and I'm trying to think I was 
going to say like a football player or something

0:26:09.440,0:26:14.760
but one that stuck out in my head as a kid the 
old actor Vinnie Jones my brother had a football

0:26:14.760,0:26:18.920
trials with Wimbledon and I was a kid and this guy 
Vinnie Jones who's a football player for Wimbledon

0:26:18.920,0:26:22.560
turned up and he said he went past me and there 
was no one there except me I just went you right

0:26:22.560,0:26:26.440
and he went all and I just went quiet and he 
basically come back and I was only a kid and

0:26:26.440,0:26:30.400
he's like The Hard Man of football at the time and 
he got went what's the matter cat got your tongue

0:26:30.400,0:26:34.720
and I was like oh my God I'm so sorry he went I'm 
only joking and I was like but that will always

0:26:34.720,0:26:39.160
stick in my memory but he's great I thought he was 
fantastic I met him once after I didn't say that

0:26:39.160,0:26:43.440
story but he was yeah that was always a thing but 
yeah we do jobs for I'm not going to name drop any

0:26:43.440,0:26:48.320
people cuz no one wants to know they've got pest 
but from yeah that would be controversial many

0:26:48.320,0:26:54.360
Royals to many celebrities to yeah whatever many 
rich businessmen but it does I wouldn't name drop

0:26:54.360,0:26:58.240
cuz no one wants to know they've got mice rats 
cockroaches or whatever else in their property

0:26:59.240,0:27:02.480
yeah as long as you're nice to bees if you find 
them I hope you don't consider those p no we

0:27:02.480,0:27:05.560
don't consider if we lost the bees tomorrow 
it would cost the farming industry billions

0:27:05.560,0:27:10.400
to cross pooll you got to be nice to the bees yeah 
we always say leave bees be because obviously they

0:27:10.400,0:27:15.560
feel sorry for wasps but yeah well they don't 
care they bees are Placid insects whereas wasp

0:27:15.560,0:27:21.800
they're just a flying [ __ ] they will sting you 
they that's rude that's what they are essentially

0:27:21.800,0:27:24.400
they will just sting you and they think but 
doesn't matter I'll sting you and when they

0:27:24.400,0:27:28.320
sting they release a pheromone which tells it's 
an aggressive pheromone so the other wasp then go

0:27:28.320,0:27:32.880
we need to sting as well so then they all go for 
you whereas the bees yes they will sting you but

0:27:32.880,0:27:36.360
they know they're going to ultimately suffer 
they're going to die after the sting so they're

0:27:36.360,0:27:41.440
Placid but wasps just AR but we've got this Hornet 
problem now don't we in in Asian Asian Hornets yes

0:27:41.440,0:27:46.400
so Asian Hornets Target our bees and they're 
horrible things they've now been found on the

0:27:46.400,0:27:50.840
UK Mainland think they were mainly in Jersey they 
were being found in Jersey the big problem over

0:27:50.840,0:27:54.440
in Europe and now they've been found in Jersey 
a couple years ago and now we're finding nest

0:27:54.440,0:27:58.120
on the UK Mainland yeah you better have your 
wits about you're going to deal with that pest

0:27:59.080,0:28:03.440
yeah you get Sting from one of them they yeah 
anaphylactic shock you are in big bother so

0:28:03.440,0:28:08.320
people are ding people have died after having 
these Asian Hornets stinging stop yeah there a

0:28:08.320,0:28:13.520
good french guy was having a barbecue some years 
ago Asian Hornets stung him dead okay let's talk

0:28:13.520,0:28:18.560
about another one travel one snow leopards you 
were hunting looking for not hunting no not

0:28:18.560,0:28:25.760
hunting you were trying to find snow leopards 
yes Mongolia yes now cats are especially snow

0:28:25.760,0:28:32.040
leopards are the most private and elusive cats of 
all cats correct yeah so what made you think that

0:28:32.040,0:28:36.520
you would they would go there's mark from The 
Apprentice that was it what the say how you say

0:28:36.520,0:28:41.120
that I went to Mongolia and I went to this like 
first the UL Bal the capital and went to this

0:28:41.120,0:28:45.680
shopping mall there it was like this again it's a 
bit third worldy and you go to this shopping mall

0:28:45.680,0:28:49.960
which is all very smart and plush and there was a 
girl was in the camping shop getting a head torch

0:28:49.960,0:28:53.800
cuz I left mine and this girl went excuse me 
were you on The Apprentice there and I was like

0:28:53.800,0:28:58.040
oh my God you come to Mongolia and someone sees 
you but but that was good but the snow leopards

0:28:58.760,0:29:03.560
I don't know I think ever since I watched the 
planet Earth One David atam you see the snow

0:29:03.560,0:29:07.480
leopard it's just a beautiful creature my mom was 
always had cats but I'm more of a dog person but

0:29:07.480,0:29:11.520
I just fell in love with this animal and I thought 
I'd love to go and see one in the wild yes they're

0:29:11.520,0:29:17.640
called the ghost cat and so I thought well I'll 
go ghost cat ghosted you pretty much we came close

0:29:17.640,0:29:22.160
there was two brothers and we were told so there 
was trackers out before us they would go off first

0:29:22.160,0:29:25.720
thing in the morning we'd go off different ways 
and we're up and down Hills I think I just like

0:29:25.720,0:29:29.480
the adventure anyway it's all snowing and it's 
just really really cool I love all that sort of

0:29:29.480,0:29:35.320
stuff and they said they found we found two snow 
leopards it's the brothers so we trying to go over

0:29:35.320,0:29:41.280
these Peaks and we're trying to get there anyway 
this tourist American Tourist decided to get his

0:29:41.280,0:29:47.760
drone up so he's got this drone up and he's gone 
over to where these snow leopards are he's scared

0:29:47.760,0:29:52.160
the the cats and they've gone over these Hills 
and then we get there about a half hour later and

0:29:52.160,0:29:56.800
they said oh they were here but mate's gone and 
got his drone up and he scared them away yes me

0:29:56.800,0:30:02.040
and 30 or four others were quite upset and we 
were um close to strangling this tourist with

0:30:02.040,0:30:07.000
his drone but anyway but we'd only seen him for 
about probably around about 8 800 met would be the

0:30:07.000,0:30:11.480
closest but you've all got binoculars and things 
but I love like the snow leopard don't say the

0:30:11.480,0:30:16.880
ghost cat it's quite private see a bit myself in 
the ghost cat mysterious yeah no I I don't think

0:30:16.880,0:30:22.040
it's the Drone I think the cat just didn't want 
to see you guys I mean drone not drone okay so you

0:30:22.040,0:30:29.120
came close to being killed twice yes a few times 
a year we've come close I think uh the closest

0:30:29.120,0:30:35.720
I ever came was again in Afghanistan I was on an 
Airbase called Bagram and you live in uh probably

0:30:35.720,0:30:40.880
a container about as big as this room it's like 
the old the iso shipping containers you see so

0:30:40.880,0:30:44.600
they get taken away from the shipping companies 
I whe they fall off a back of a Lor and then they

0:30:44.600,0:30:52.000
fit them out to um put toilets in air conditioning 
so I had this and uh yeah we outside my room there

0:30:52.000,0:30:57.440
was something called a fanks gun it's an automatic 
weapon and you hear it go off and it's it tries to

0:30:57.440,0:31:03.680
hit in direct fire if there's a rocket coming in 
this gun will fire off hundreds of bullets in a

0:31:03.680,0:31:10.760
few seconds to try and knock it out the sky and 
it sounds it goes and it go it's spinning around

0:31:10.760,0:31:16.520
you're thinking anyway when I'd hear that go I'd 
think oh God is it coming close to me and then

0:31:16.520,0:31:20.080
usually the first one would land and then all the 
alarms on the camp would go so everyone's got to

0:31:20.080,0:31:24.720
take cover but yeah one night I remember I was 
sitting watching the peaky blinders someone had

0:31:24.720,0:31:27.920
told me you need to watch the peaky blinders I'm 
sat there on my laptop watching the peaky blinders

0:31:27.920,0:31:34.400
minders and I hears and I think oh no that fank is 
going and I think it' be okay it' be okay and then

0:31:34.400,0:31:41.640
I hear you know it sounds like the cartoon you 
hear it and I was like oh no and I thought this

0:31:41.640,0:31:45.600
is coming the first thing I did was just jump on 
my bed but if it hits the top of my container it's

0:31:45.600,0:31:50.640
going through and it's going to hit the floor and 
it probably landed when we went outside the next

0:31:50.640,0:31:54.680
morning we could see where it landed it wasn't 
like a massive crater it was a small crater and

0:31:54.680,0:32:00.840
it was probably about 10 to 15 M away but when it 
hit the stones all the stones went up and hit all

0:32:00.840,0:32:04.640
the side of M thing which isn't bad cuz I thought 
at least the stones they get pushed up in the air

0:32:04.640,0:32:09.800
but I remember thinking myself that is the closest 
I stayed under my bed for about 20 minutes just

0:32:09.800,0:32:14.840
shaking just shaking and then one of my colleagues 
yeah there's I just got this knock on the door

0:32:14.840,0:32:20.640
and there's open the door he goes where are you 
and I was like I'm under the bed and he was like

0:32:20.640,0:32:24.920
you tart get up anyway I just said to him I said 
that's the closest I've ever come and he was like

0:32:24.920,0:32:30.160
yeah that was a close one but it was exciting and 
it's a story tell but yeah that made me reassess

0:32:30.160,0:32:33.680
that was probably the last sort of six months 
of my time working in private security because

0:32:33.680,0:32:38.520
it things were getting a bit dangerous there was 
sadly a guy who opened his window to the wrong

0:32:38.520,0:32:44.520
person in cabal and didn't survive you you drive 
through cabal in unmarked vehicles and the police

0:32:44.520,0:32:48.480
as soon as they see it's a western complexion 
they'd be like stop and now you're really you're

0:32:48.480,0:32:53.040
now sat on the side of the road and it would be 
like we want water we want food and we'll let you

0:32:53.040,0:32:56.920
go and we're like we've got all the passes to 
drive through it's called the the silver area

0:32:56.920,0:33:00.880
silver Zone if you like Ring Of Steel they used 
to call it but they wouldn't yeah every time we

0:33:00.880,0:33:05.400
went into the Ring Of Steel they would want water 
off us and we have water but they wouldn't let us

0:33:05.400,0:33:09.760
go anyway one guy sadly opened his door not a 
British guy was talking to the police officer

0:33:09.760,0:33:14.160
and then sadly a knife came through and then we 
see it drove past and we were like do not open

0:33:14.160,0:33:19.080
our Windows to anyone and then that was probably 
about three months I the the morar that happened

0:33:19.080,0:33:23.120
and then three months later I left I was like 
that's me cuz say yeah it was getting B dangerous

0:33:23.120,0:33:28.920
but okay so what are you doing now now so I still 
own the pest control business it's doing well

0:33:28.920,0:33:33.960
which is nice yes it's doing well and whether I 
sell it in the next couple of years or whether it

0:33:33.960,0:33:38.000
sell it this year I don't know I've had a few 
offers and I've done a little side project as

0:33:38.000,0:33:41.920
well doing something completely different I don't 
think I've got a bad hair and you probably people

0:33:41.920,0:33:46.760
say it's right but I don't think I've got too 
bad hair so I hair products so thought get I've

0:33:46.760,0:33:53.000
always worn uh pomades in my hair since about 2005 
what is that the Pomade it became famous used to

0:33:53.000,0:33:57.720
be like pigs fat they used to put in their hairs 
but it became really synonymous back in the 1920

0:33:58.840,0:34:03.680
with the gangsters yeah it's a hard like gel if 
you like so people always think it's the slick

0:34:03.680,0:34:08.160
back if you put it in your hair dry it actually 
holds it quite nicely yes so I thought every time

0:34:08.160,0:34:11.440
I've spoke about pomades people go I don't use 
pomades I use whatever else and I said you know

0:34:11.440,0:34:16.840
what I'll come up with a Pomade so I've come up 
with a couple of products and now I sell them on

0:34:16.840,0:34:20.720
social media it does it does I'm not going to go 
into the financial side of it but it does you have

0:34:20.720,0:34:28.000
one here to show us or I do yeah but go on bring 
it up bring that bad boy bring it up this is it

0:34:28.000,0:34:34.600
but this is oh can I open it how does it actually 
so it's it's like a wax you can open it yeah so

0:34:34.600,0:34:40.320
oh that's it's solid yeah it's not a wax it's a 
yeah Pomade smells nice yeah but that all came

0:34:40.320,0:34:45.800
off looks like jelly yeah that's pretty much yes 
it's like gelatin if you like but it's beeswax

0:34:45.800,0:34:51.000
I'm not going to try it not no I wouldn't but 
it was that that came spawned off the back of

0:34:51.000,0:34:56.600
the Apprentice that so it basically yeah one of 
the candidates on there H Joe lovely chap he was

0:34:56.600,0:35:02.240
had a lip balm product called surf Bal so he was 
telling me all about it and I thought I wish I had

0:35:02.240,0:35:06.000
a product to sell when you leave the process if 
you had a product to sell great because you can

0:35:06.000,0:35:09.800
make a bit of money out always easier yeah so I 
thought I'll just start my own products I went

0:35:09.800,0:35:14.480
through the brand in Ox here because I think 
you know I'm trying to Target men 30 to 50

0:35:14.480,0:35:18.960
year olds because Ox is a resilient animal it's 
gone through some arduous things I think you're

0:35:18.960,0:35:23.840
quite a resilient animal yeah this is it see men 
who sort of having okay s it to me why is that a

0:35:23.840,0:35:29.040
good product go on then why is it good this is a 
good product because it it will keep your hair in

0:35:29.040,0:35:34.280
place for most of the day shake it on yeah even 
when you're playing football and things or Sports

0:35:34.280,0:35:39.360
also it's waterbased it's not oil based waterbased 
products come out your hair easier oil based is a

0:35:39.360,0:35:42.920
nightmare to try and get out your hair so okay 
so you can wash it out easily how long does it

0:35:42.920,0:35:47.640
stay in your in your hair it will stand in your 
hair for about 12 hours that's what we you can

0:35:47.640,0:35:51.720
with pomades if you your hair starts drying out 
you can get a bit of water and put a slight bit

0:35:51.720,0:35:56.800
of water in your hair and then it's back to set 
how it was it's fantastic but yeah pom bids my

0:35:56.800,0:36:00.520
selling techniques probably not the best but Tik 
tok's where you need to sell these days I've been

0:36:00.520,0:36:05.680
doing Tik Tok shop live videos for an hour just 
stood there in front of the camera talking about

0:36:05.680,0:36:11.040
audience you have a decent better try a bit harder 
if you I have to try a bit harder buy your uh

0:36:11.040,0:36:15.520
that's right you get it for your partner and then 
uh we'll see when I spoke to you earlier you said

0:36:15.520,0:36:20.040
that you sometimes feel lonely running your own 
business is that still the case or have you made

0:36:20.040,0:36:26.120
more friends the e-commerce yeah there is a good 
group of e-commerce people that I've met lot to be

0:36:26.120,0:36:29.560
fair ex-military guys everyone's trying to sell 
their little products and things which is good

0:36:29.560,0:36:33.600
but I think when you are a business owner it is 
lonely it's just you're fighting against everyone

0:36:33.600,0:36:39.160
else and I went to a do last night some boxing 
D black tie event and it was all business owners

0:36:39.160,0:36:44.440
and everyone says the same thing and everyone's 
having this problem at the moment of hiring staff

0:36:44.440,0:36:49.680
and again I'll be careful with your audiences but 
it's the younger staff they're really struggling

0:36:49.680,0:36:54.240
with I spoke to two business owners on my table 
and they said we're hiring people in their 20s

0:36:54.240,0:36:59.920
early 20s and the communication skills just isn't 
there and I'm saying maybe it's because they're on

0:36:59.920,0:37:04.320
their phone a lot they don't they won't ever go 
out after work not to socialize but when they do

0:37:04.320,0:37:08.400
a work event they try and avoid it soort if they 
take everyone out to temping bowling or something

0:37:08.400,0:37:13.680
says it's just not there and then they leave early 
and things not generalizing too much that's what I

0:37:13.680,0:37:17.680
was saying so I thought it's in my business there 
won't employ too many younger people these days

0:37:17.680,0:37:21.040
because people don't want to get into Pest Control 
it's a dying industry so anytime you see a pest

0:37:21.040,0:37:25.480
control and most of them these days were in their 
30s and you'll see some in their 60s so where the

0:37:25.480,0:37:31.000
pest control goes out the window in the coming 
years because the younger generation want to do

0:37:31.000,0:37:35.800
sexy cool things on Tik Tok and things we don't 
know there's definitely a different mindset and

0:37:35.800,0:37:41.240
different doesn't necessarily mean bad yeah but 
they do think differently and for sure something

0:37:41.240,0:37:45.040
like a work life balance in the olden days we 
used to be able to like oh it's like it's all

0:37:45.040,0:37:48.920
about the work and you come to office and you 
work till you die and you have to give your

0:37:48.920,0:37:53.680
kidney for this work and you have to like those 
sort of things I forget your family forget your

0:37:53.680,0:38:01.680
no way don't eat sleep forget about it give your 
soul to this work like that those days you're hard

0:38:01.680,0:38:06.680
those days they're going now because obviously you 
can do that and it's going to be it's going to be

0:38:06.680,0:38:10.360
good but then you might have the out look at steep 
jobs and and that sort of thing I always go back

0:38:10.360,0:38:15.120
to that it's like that that is the price that is 
an ultimate price and if it's your own business

0:38:15.120,0:38:19.160
you're more inclined to do that why wouldn't you 
give your kidney and your whatever if you have

0:38:19.160,0:38:24.840
this dream and you want to change the world but 
then if you're an employee you just seen someone

0:38:24.840,0:38:29.520
going come on stay late come on don't go home 
don't see your friends no I don't care about

0:38:29.520,0:38:35.680
that but they work it's really important you work 
really there is that side I agree there there has

0:38:35.680,0:38:40.320
to be a balance somewhere there's um friends 
of mine they're in offices where they say some

0:38:40.320,0:38:43.920
people can't come in because there not have seats 
now they've downsized their office space and says

0:38:43.920,0:38:47.360
people have to be doing they can't all come 
into the office what's it called where they

0:38:47.360,0:38:52.480
do whatever working or flexible working is yes but 
and then you hear recently in Pol government with

0:38:52.480,0:38:56.440
saying we're going to go into a four- day week and 
things that's really work stuff going on there and

0:38:56.440,0:39:00.880
you think this just can't happen because yes it 
can happen with some people but then they say we

0:39:00.880,0:39:04.840
going to work longer we'll do 12-hour days and you 
think come on guys no one's going to do a 12-hour

0:39:04.840,0:39:08.360
day because there people will start slacking 
off especially people at home I was only around

0:39:08.360,0:39:13.920
someone's yesterday and they were going oh did you 
tap my computer screen for me and partner's like

0:39:13.920,0:39:18.800
I forgot and oh you idiot and you're thinking 
this is actually a real thing yeah but I don't

0:39:18.800,0:39:24.880
know it's hard it's a hard one balance is key but 
yeah I don't know what's next for you love Island

0:39:24.880,0:39:30.040
something else no there's nothing on the books 
for me girls no don't I've got a few going to

0:39:30.040,0:39:33.840
stay away from TV then yeah I think I'd probably 
rather stay away from TV if I'm honest with you

0:39:33.840,0:39:38.200
but I'm looking at maybe doing next year going on 
a road trip across America for four weeks I don't

0:39:38.200,0:39:42.120
usually take much time off from work I usually 
have a a long weekend here and there so I have

0:39:42.120,0:39:47.320
about 10 days off a year and my weekends but next 
year I thought you know what March April time I'll

0:39:47.320,0:39:51.120
either go to Japan for a month or I'll drive 
across the states for a month that's my next

0:39:51.120,0:39:55.680
plan so want to do one of these big trips as I've 
never road trip Route 66 or something do you know

0:39:55.680,0:39:59.840
what I mean I'd love to go and see like some 
mountains or go get a flight up to Alaska cuz I

0:39:59.840,0:40:05.200
like the mountains unfortunately no snow leopards 
there though leave the cats alone yeah I'll try to

0:40:05.200,0:40:12.040
let the cat come to you never chase the cat true 
I'll get myself a dog that'll do yeah on that note

0:40:12.040,0:40:21.353
thanks so much for joining us on the podcast today 
it's been great I thank you for having me [Music]