Resilience and Authenticity in the Face of Pressure

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Aleksandra King: Shane, welcome
to be on the Boardroom podcast.

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Thank you.
No need to be nervous.

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Yeah, I promise.

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I promise I don't bite.

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This is just easy.

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It's about your life, it's about
your experience in The Apprentice.

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So I'm not asking anything
terribly controversial.

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And also outta the apprentice candidates.

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You are not one of the ones
that have something shall I

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say, dark or secretive or very
controversial or anything like that.

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You are a lovely, hardworking person.

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Yes, you are on the show and everything,
but you're a really nice guy and

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it's difficult to find dirt on you.

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So there to anyone thinking that
all apprentice contestants are

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crazy, mad controversial people.

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Okay?

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Here is someone who's not that.

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You're just a lovely guy.

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Shahin: Yeah, I guess you could say that.

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Yeah, you are.

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Yeah.
You're

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Aleksandra King: hardworking.

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You're from a good home.

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Yeah.

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We're gonna get to it, but
let's start with Apprentice.

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What did you think about it?

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Shahin: It was an amazing experience.

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It really was.

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Obviously it's surreal
getting onto it as well.

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The whole selection process
was quite challenging.

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It was quite tough,
quite demanding as well.

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And then actually making it on
the show was absolutely surreal.

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When you see it from the outside
you think, do you know what, this

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process should be straightforward.

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You know what, how difficult can it be?

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But when you're on the other
side of the fence, you realize

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how tough it actually is.

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And I was pretty naive.

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In thinking that it was gonna be a
straightforward process and I'll probably

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be one of the strongest candidates there.

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Yeah.

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But actually you realize you are
not really in control of anything.

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And that probably played a big part in
why it was so challenging and so tough.

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Aleksandra King: Is that the most
difficult thing then for you?

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The fact that you were not in
control of your, what is it

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of your brand, of your day?

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What was it

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Shahin: it is not easy filming
something like The Apprentice.

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When you've got so many
characters so many contestants.

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And are you

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Aleksandra King: saying the
contestants were difficult?

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Shahin: You've got a variety of
people personalities and  just

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recording the show as well takes
a lot of effort, a lot of people.

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From the production side, you
can imagine it, it's not easy.

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Try and do all that.

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But also in terms of the
production and what they want to

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portray to the audience as well.

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Takes a bit of control over what
you say, what you do, et cetera.

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Yeah, all of that, you're free to
say whatever you want, but how it's

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edited in the end is is stands there.

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Yeah.
But you

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Aleksandra King: dunno
that when you're on it.

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Do you?

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Of course not.

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Of, not of course have no
idea how they're editing.

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No, you don't.

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But you can see how they wanna steer you.

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Yeah.
If you're on it Yeah, absolutely.

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And intelligent enough, and you
know how they're probing you and

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what they want to get from you.

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But yeah, I suppose losing control
of your day, how you manage your

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day, that is quite difficult.

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I found that difficult
not knowing anything.

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What's coming throughout the day, not
knowing when you're going to eat, not

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knowing how long you have to wait in
a room for just that loss of control.

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It's quite a challenge.

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I think

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Shahin: I agree.

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You're not allowed to take your
mobile phone with you, so you are

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blocked off from the outside world.

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You are in this little bubble and you
are, you're chaperoned everywhere.

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So you really can't say anything
or even talk about the task even

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when you're off camera as well.

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All those things made
it a lot more difficult.

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You don't have access to
information or anything like that.

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Aleksandra King: For those
that didn't watch your episode,

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sum it up nicely for us.

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What happened to you?

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When did you go out?

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How'd you get fired?

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What happened to you?

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Yeah, so

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Shahin: the first task was it
was a selling task and we went

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to South Africa and it was the
task was to sell tour tickets.

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And yeah, it was unfortunately week
one, which I had to, I was fired in.

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Yeah.
Why

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Aleksandra King: were you fired?

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Shahin: Because I didn't
make enough sales.

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And that's what, did you really not,

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Aleksandra King: or was
it edited like that?

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Shahin: I did make sales,
but it wasn't enough.

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And yeah I guess it was
edited that way as well.

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Aleksandra King: Were you nice too
nice in the boardroom to people?

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Shahin: Do you know?
In the boardroom?

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I think I was I think I, I had no
other choice but to fight my corner,

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but maybe during the task I could
have been a bit more aggressive.

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Which I probably didn't do.

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And maybe I was playing it
safe as well, which wasn't

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the right tactic at that time.

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Yeah.

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Aleksandra King: 'cause everyone's
looking to throw someone

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under the bus from the second.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.
Definitely The second you're in it.

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So I think that's what

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Shahin: happened.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.
Oh, sorry.

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Too much of a Mr. Nice guy, I think.

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And too honest.

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Aleksandra King: How
did it feel being fired?

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Shahin: I was devastated.

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Really devastated because I genuinely
thought I was a really strong candidate.

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And you kinda was it

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Aleksandra King: shocking?
Were you like completely whoa,

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Shahin: do you know what Yeah.

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Towards right at the end when
I thought, do you know, what do

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I have an argument to stay in?

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And I saw Lord Sugar looking at
me, and I knew, do you know what?

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I just had a bad feeling.

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He's gonna, he's gonna let me go now.

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And he did, but I was genuinely
disappointed to be honest.

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Aleksandra King: Just 'cause you're
just a nice, sensible person.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You weren't an aggressive
shock in there that, that's,

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Shahin: no, there's some really
loud characters and that their

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personality really rung through.

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And you, when you are, when you're
trying to be authentic and just being

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yourself, sometimes you gotta step
outside the box and go all that.

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And maybe I didn't do that.

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Aleksandra King: You know what the
thing is about some of the apprentice

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personalities and when you get
stuck in that house with them and

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you have all these big characters
of obviously being, selecting

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people for the big personalities,
and then you're in that house.

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Did you not find that?

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It just sucks the living life out of
you to be around such, I would consider

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myself quite a big personality, but
I was like, oh, around these people.

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They just siphoned the energy out of me.

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I just thought, oh my gosh.

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Do you feel that?

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Shahin: Yeah.

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I just didn't understand where
they got the energy from, honestly.

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Oh my gosh.

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I like my own time as well oh, you don't

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Aleksandra King: have
any of your own time.

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You don't have

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Shahin: any of your own time.

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You're always together and they even

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yeah.

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I just didn't understand where
they got the energy from.

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It was just so much energy.

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Like hyperactive.

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Aleksandra King: Now that you've
gone through it, has it changed

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your view of, let's say, Lord
Sugar or the whole process itself?

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Shahin: You know what, now that I've
been through it you see what it's

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really like from the other side.

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O obviously I have a huge amount of
respect for how it's produced how they

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select the, the candidates, et cetera.

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But I feel like it's it's done
and dusted now, and I've moved on

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from that that time in my life.

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But yeah, from time to
time I still watch it.

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Still a huge fan of it, but I think
over the years the format's changed

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the way it's edited, obviously now
that I've been on the other side,

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you know what it's really like now,
you know what it's really like.

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Yeah.

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So I guess, I take away a pinch
of salt now that actually it's,

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Aleksandra King: okay.
So tell me more about how it's edited.

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Shahin: You may do a task or say a certain
thing, they can edit it in the way they

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see fit, best best for the audience
to capture the audiences reactions.

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And obviously it's a reality TV show they
need to increase ratings, et cetera, so

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they do need those big personalities.

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So yeah, I do feel like it's
now become more of a game show

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rather than say a business show.

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'cause it's

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Aleksandra King: become less of
a business show over time, you'd

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Shahin: say?
Yeah, over time, I would say so.

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And also the tasks are
quite repetitive now.

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I think, there, there's a a formula
which they've used for so many years

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now and that's quite predictable as
well with those things in mind yeah

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I would say they know how to edit
it to make it best for the audience.

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Aleksandra King: Yeah.

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You can see how it becomes difficult
for some candidates if they've

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been made to look a really bad way.

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Yeah, absolutely.
You didn't have that, did it?

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Did it impact your career at all?

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No.

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Negatively.

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Shahin: Yeah.

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No, not necessarily.

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Luckily I came out
unscathed in all honesty.

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My personality is more or less
aligned to how they portrayed me.

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Aleksandra King: What is
it that you're doing now?

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What's your job?

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Shahin: So I do multiple things.

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I'm a consultant by
profession in engineering.

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So I do consultancy work.

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I buy and sell cars and
I invest in property.

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So buy selling,

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Aleksandra King: cause
is that a side hustle?

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Shahin: They're all side hustles.

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My main, I've always engineering's
your main engineering is my main

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profession bread and and it's my bread
and butter and I've been working in

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that field for the past 20 years.

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But I've always had a side hustle whether
it's selling t-shirts printing t-shirts

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working in the family business or buying
and selling cars or investing in property.

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Yeah.
So

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Aleksandra King: you love
entrepreneurship, like I can see

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why you wanted to go on the ship.

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Shahin: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's not so much more, not really about
the making the profit, but just doing

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something that you really like and
creating value out something is what I

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like, it's the process of doing something
like that really makes it interesting.

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Aleksandra King: Okay.

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So I was just wondering how.

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If you're portrayed as not being
able to sell and then your main job

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is sales, how that would impact.

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'cause that would be quite something,
whereas a side hustle, it's it

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almost would help you, wouldn't it?

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But if it's a very serious corporate
sales role, that might be difficult.

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Shahin: Exactly.

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And this is the kind of thing which on
The Apprentice, the way they portrayed

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me doesn't really align to what I do.

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And I'm quite successful in what I do.

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Yeah.

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And also in, in The Apprentice, there
are different types of selling as well.

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This was like on the street selling.

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Yeah.

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I still manage to sell, but market style.

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Market style.
Market style and shouting.

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Exactly.

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And that's not really my style, but I
managed to do some sales, but it's not

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what they wanted to show on the screen.

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It really is
Aleksandra King: about sales apprentice.

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Yeah.
You will.

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If you are not selling, you're gone.

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Yeah.

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It's very difficult to come out of that.

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Yeah.
If your stats are low.

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Yeah.

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If you want to just for anyone wanting
to go on, if you wanna remain in

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there, you've gotta be, you have

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Shahin: got, you have to be.

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Absolutely.
Yeah.

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It's like no matter

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Aleksandra King: what happens excuse me,
at least I'm selling what you are doing.

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Exactly.

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Shahin: Exactly.

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Yeah.
Definitely.

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Aleksandra King: But you were
lucky to not have trolling.

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That's quite a bad thing,
or did you have a bit?

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Shahin: Do you know what I didn't
have that much to be honest.

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And, after the show, what did

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Aleksandra King: you have the
trolling, what did they say to you?

0:09:44.247,0:09:47.277
Shahin: Some were like how did you
make onto the show you couldn't sell?

0:09:47.677,0:09:49.867
But then there were others
who were quite like.

0:09:50.317,0:09:55.657
Disappointed the fact that I went out in
the first week because they were really

0:09:55.757,0:10:00.497
they're aspiring, young entrepreneurs
who really want to see me go to some

0:10:00.497,0:10:01.877
fans, who are quite disappointed.

0:10:01.877,0:10:02.377
Yeah.

0:10:02.537,0:10:05.417
You respond to them, say, I'm
really sorry I tried my best.

0:10:05.417,0:10:05.737
And

0:10:05.737,0:10:06.237
Aleksandra King: yeah.

0:10:06.697,0:10:10.837
So do you feel like a reality TV star?

0:10:10.837,0:10:13.717
You feel like you've gone to that
club now, you've been on reality tv.

0:10:13.717,0:10:15.757
Do you feel reality TV ish or not?

0:10:15.757,0:10:16.257
I.

0:10:16.292,0:10:16.897
Shahin: I And you went

0:10:16.897,0:10:18.277
Aleksandra King: out
quite soon, but still.

0:10:18.307,0:10:18.777
Yeah,

0:10:18.777,0:10:19.320
Shahin: It's a big show.

0:10:19.325,0:10:20.095
It's a big show.

0:10:20.095,0:10:22.650
It has had a huge impact on my life.

0:10:22.700,0:10:23.480
In all honesty.

0:10:23.480,0:10:25.640
I've had lots of
opportunities, which was great.

0:10:26.020,0:10:30.150
Something that really came to me,
which I was, I, I was quite taken back

0:10:30.150,0:10:34.210
was the amount of people who wanted
me to talk to younger people go to

0:10:34.210,0:10:36.160
schools, invitations to schools, yeah.

0:10:36.190,0:10:36.970
Colleges.

0:10:37.000,0:10:40.510
That was really humbling and it
was a great honor, to be honest.

0:10:40.880,0:10:43.000
So that was the positive
thing that came out.

0:10:43.000,0:10:46.510
And but I don't consider
myself as a reality TV star.

0:10:46.510,0:10:47.653
It was a reality tv.

0:10:47.658,0:10:47.980
That's quite a

0:10:47.980,0:10:49.165
Aleksandra King: label, it is a label.

0:10:49.635,0:10:50.220
Yeah.
Shahin: Yeah.

0:10:50.220,0:10:53.880
And when you do meet people who find that
you are on it they think you are one,

0:10:54.285,0:10:55.620
Aleksandra King: it's a
difficult one, isn't it?

0:10:55.620,0:10:56.100
To say.

0:10:56.100,0:10:59.190
'cause you're trying to remain
serious and corporate and things,

0:10:59.880,0:11:02.830
but then, you can look at Trump.

0:11:03.265,0:11:03.765
Shahin: Yeah.

0:11:04.015,0:11:08.305
Aleksandra King: He's probably broken
that ceiling for the reality TV stars.

0:11:08.305,0:11:08.995
You can, yeah.

0:11:09.205,0:11:10.945
Whether you like him
or not, he's broken it.

0:11:11.185,0:11:11.600
Yeah, no, absolutely.

0:11:11.600,0:11:15.635
So I suppose you can the sort of
maybe the looking down on it or

0:11:15.635,0:11:17.465
saying, oh, it's a little reality.

0:11:17.515,0:11:19.235
Okay, you try get on it then go on.

0:11:19.235,0:11:21.935
Any one of the shows, even Big
Brother, please do audition.

0:11:21.995,0:11:22.325
Yeah.

0:11:22.325,0:11:24.425
And let's see if your
personality will see you through.

0:11:24.425,0:11:25.055
Come on, go on.

0:11:25.505,0:11:26.005
Let's see.

0:11:26.045,0:11:27.005
It's not easy.

0:11:27.005,0:11:27.485
It's difficult, isn't it?

0:11:27.485,0:11:28.475
It's
Shahin: not easy.

0:11:28.475,0:11:33.125
And the one thing I say to people, and
even, I remind myself, is to always

0:11:33.125,0:11:36.275
stay authentic, be honest with yourself.

0:11:36.725,0:11:37.655
Don't lie.

0:11:37.705,0:11:39.070
'cause people can see through all that.

0:11:39.120,0:11:41.190
Don't create a fake persona as well.

0:11:41.190,0:11:42.630
Just be yourself and yeah.

0:11:42.630,0:11:43.835
That, that, that's really important.

0:11:43.995,0:11:44.700
'cause also they recruiting

0:11:44.700,0:11:45.630
Aleksandra King: for personality.

0:11:45.630,0:11:46.110
Yeah.

0:11:46.110,0:11:46.980
And they've seen it all.

0:11:46.980,0:11:48.270
So if you're being fake they know.

0:11:48.270,0:11:49.080
They know the fake.

0:11:49.110,0:11:49.590
Exactly.

0:11:49.590,0:11:50.790
You've gotta be comfortable.

0:11:50.850,0:11:52.410
Yeah.
And unashamedly yourself.

0:11:52.470,0:11:52.650
Yeah.

0:11:52.650,0:11:54.960
And if you don't like your
personality, don't apply.

0:11:55.050,0:11:55.320
Exactly.

0:11:55.320,0:11:59.110
'cause they'll, your personality's
gonna be magnified to tenfold.

0:11:59.110,0:12:02.080
They love, if you're a nerdy,
they'll really work on that.

0:12:02.080,0:12:05.180
Nerdy, if you're very nice, they'll
work on the nice, if you're very

0:12:05.180,0:12:06.680
serious, they'll work on it isn't it?

0:12:06.680,0:12:07.940
They mag definitely magnify.

0:12:08.570,0:12:10.120
'cause they need to have those boxes.

0:12:10.120,0:12:11.200
Doesn't matter which show you're on.

0:12:11.200,0:12:11.470
Absolutely.

0:12:11.470,0:12:13.625
Everyone's got their sort
of thing, don't they?

0:12:13.695,0:12:14.195
Yeah.

0:12:14.410,0:12:17.590
But what did it mean for you to
represent your Bangladeshi background

0:12:18.190,0:12:19.600
on such a massive platform?

0:12:19.750,0:12:20.260
Shahin: Yeah.

0:12:20.575,0:12:22.195
That was a huge honor, huh?

0:12:22.445,0:12:23.045
It was.

0:12:23.465,0:12:25.775
I didn't realize at
the time how much Yeah.

0:12:25.775,0:12:28.385
They're watching and how many
people are actually watching.

0:12:28.385,0:12:31.215
And I was taking quite
aback on that front.

0:12:31.215,0:12:33.305
But it was quite humbling real honor.

0:12:33.675,0:12:36.735
Lots of people reached out to
me who I really didn't know.

0:12:37.225,0:12:39.505
And I wasn't on social media
or anything like that as well.

0:12:39.555,0:12:42.230
I didn't realize how big
that community really was.

0:12:42.230,0:12:44.530
And but yeah, it was
really good, really nice.

0:12:44.530,0:12:47.450
And yeah, I had lots of opportunities
from that, to be honest.

0:12:47.455,0:12:47.955
So that was really good.

0:12:48.050,0:12:48.170
So you

0:12:48.170,0:12:50.810
Aleksandra King: didn't really
realize how many within the bangs

0:12:50.810,0:12:51.980
community were watching you.

0:12:51.985,0:12:53.450
Yeah.
And then they start to message you.

0:12:54.080,0:12:55.370
Yeah.
And they were rooting for you.

0:12:55.370,0:12:55.610
Yeah.

0:12:55.610,0:12:57.980
So it is pressure because you
don't want to let anyone down.

0:12:57.985,0:12:59.035
No.
They want you to do what?

0:12:59.220,0:12:59.900
No.
You don't.

0:12:59.905,0:13:00.315
It's difficult.

0:13:00.315,0:13:01.280
Yeah.
Shahin: It's difficult.

0:13:01.310,0:13:06.560
But even when someone from the community
does something whether it's, getting on

0:13:06.560,0:13:10.630
a, a platform like The Apprentice or do
something really good for the community,

0:13:10.900,0:13:15.730
they all do get behind the individual
because it's a proud moment for them Yes.

0:13:15.730,0:13:16.660
For the community.

0:13:16.660,0:13:19.270
And that, that does really shine through.

0:13:19.450,0:13:20.591
And it's a really nice thing to have.

0:13:20.596,0:13:21.131
Still be
Aleksandra King: proud of you.

0:13:21.131,0:13:22.271
You're doing really well.

0:13:22.401,0:13:23.181
Shahin: It's really good.

0:13:23.901,0:13:25.071
Aleksandra King: So
tell me about your dad.

0:13:25.121,0:13:28.021
Shahin: Yeah, my dad he,
he's my inspiration he's a

0:13:28.021,0:13:29.761
huge role model in my life.

0:13:29.840,0:13:32.140
He came here when he was 15.

0:13:32.191,0:13:34.651
He had to support his
family back in Bangladesh.

0:13:35.111,0:13:39.491
And he worked really hard throughout
his life to support his family in

0:13:39.491,0:13:42.191
Bangladesh as well as us in, in, the uk.

0:13:42.461,0:13:47.101
And yeah he's had lots of success and lots
of failures in life and I've seen him go

0:13:47.101,0:13:51.751
through all those experiences and events
and that's probably what inspired me to.

0:13:52.151,0:13:55.931
Follow his footsteps and also
apply to be on the Apprentice.

0:13:55.931,0:13:56.291
Yeah.

0:13:56.291,0:13:57.176
Really.
He inspired you to yeah.

0:13:57.181,0:13:58.171
Yeah, he did.

0:13:58.171,0:13:58.501
He did.

0:13:58.501,0:14:01.531
Aleksandra King: Hard worker
and good family values.

0:14:01.831,0:14:02.046
Shahin: Yeah.

0:14:02.046,0:14:06.246
He's a, he is a real hard
worker still working today.

0:14:06.526,0:14:07.036
Aleksandra King: Old is he now?

0:14:07.066,0:14:09.706
Shahin: He's gonna be 70 in a few months.

0:14:09.986,0:14:15.586
And that is the mindset that he's got,
he can retire, but it's the, you can

0:14:15.586,0:14:19.326
never take that away from someone, when
they've got grit and entrepreneurialism

0:14:19.326,0:14:21.846
and a vision or a passion for something.

0:14:22.286,0:14:25.166
You can never change that in someone.

0:14:25.196,0:14:27.566
It'll always be instilled and
they'll, and I think they'll keep

0:14:27.566,0:14:31.506
doing that up until they, when it's
time, when it's their time to go.

0:14:31.511,0:14:31.926
Yeah.

0:14:31.926,0:14:32.316
Yeah.
What's

0:14:32.316,0:14:33.876
Aleksandra King: he taught
you about family values?

0:14:34.806,0:14:36.696
Shahin: Family values
are really important.

0:14:36.696,0:14:41.206
Being, having integrity is doing the right
thing even when someone's not looking.

0:14:41.686,0:14:43.426
Doing the, doing it honestly.

0:14:43.936,0:14:45.046
And yeah.

0:14:45.176,0:14:48.256
Making sure that, your
family is really important.

0:14:48.311,0:14:50.516
And that's the main thing is
making sure family first, the

0:14:50.516,0:14:51.311
first look after your family.

0:14:51.316,0:14:51.801
Yeah.
Yeah.

0:14:51.801,0:14:54.741
Aleksandra King: So you experienced
a hard start, didn't you?

0:14:54.841,0:14:58.481
Shahin: We've, we come from a working
class background and we all had to work

0:14:58.481,0:15:04.061
really hard and but seeing my dad go
through various businesses where he's

0:15:04.151,0:15:08.771
made successful businesses and failed at
some as well, has taught me the value of,

0:15:08.821,0:15:11.611
being resilient through difficult times.

0:15:11.671,0:15:17.121
And that has given me the
motivation to work at something

0:15:17.281,0:15:19.171
and giving it a hundred percent.

0:15:19.176,0:15:19.676
Yeah.

0:15:19.681,0:15:19.801
Yeah.

0:15:19.801,0:15:22.651
Because you know what
will happen if you don't.

0:15:23.011,0:15:23.221
Yeah.

0:15:23.221,0:15:26.941
Fully commit yourself to it and
obviously you gotta be smart about it

0:15:26.941,0:15:28.861
as well and make the right decisions.

0:15:28.861,0:15:30.136
But yeah, that's what I'd say.

0:15:30.136,0:15:30.261
Yeah.

0:15:30.261,0:15:32.401
Aleksandra King: Resilience
really is something, isn't it?

0:15:32.401,0:15:32.901
Yeah.

0:15:33.181,0:15:37.951
Stay and be strong and work through it
and be prepared for the up and the down.

0:15:38.071,0:15:39.481
Yeah.
For the things that matter.

0:15:40.396,0:15:44.056
You stay resilient, consistent, and
it just pulls you through, doesn't it?

0:15:44.116,0:15:44.776
Yeah, absolutely.

0:15:44.776,0:15:45.276
It's so important.

0:15:45.300,0:15:48.250
Shahin: Ev even, going through
the apprentice process, coming

0:15:48.250,0:15:51.670
out of it as well, you need to
be really tough and resilient.

0:15:51.700,0:15:52.030
You do.

0:15:52.030,0:15:56.790
Because you can fall into a trap where
you have a really high and then a really

0:15:56.790,0:15:59.140
low and your mindset will change as well.

0:15:59.140,0:16:03.510
So because of that, you need to be
really steadfast in what you do.

0:16:03.630,0:16:04.950
Aleksandra King: This was an
interesting journey for me too.

0:16:04.950,0:16:08.700
I didn't know where this podcast,
like what's gonna happen, which of

0:16:08.730,0:16:09.930
the candidates are gonna come on?

0:16:09.930,0:16:11.280
Is anyone gonna wanna come on?

0:16:11.280,0:16:13.410
Who would want to talk
to another apprentice?

0:16:13.740,0:16:14.760
Crazy candidate.

0:16:14.760,0:16:17.645
Like I was thinking
like, do I even do this?

0:16:17.645,0:16:19.025
And, why would I wanna do this?

0:16:19.025,0:16:19.415
And so on.

0:16:19.415,0:16:23.715
And when I was in the process of looking
at candidates and reaching out to them

0:16:23.715,0:16:27.315
and asking if they would come on or
not, there were huge number that just

0:16:27.465,0:16:29.655
didn't wanna come on for so many reasons.

0:16:29.655,0:16:33.435
And one of them, the resilience thing,
what you're talking about, some of them

0:16:35.065,0:16:37.865
really took a battering that show broke.

0:16:38.405,0:16:38.915
Broke them.

0:16:38.915,0:16:42.785
They've had to their mental
health problems, medication,

0:16:42.815,0:16:46.965
depression social isolation.

0:16:47.295,0:16:48.705
Some of them, they want
nothing to do with it.

0:16:48.705,0:16:50.115
It's like a bad experience.

0:16:50.115,0:16:52.575
And then obviously you've got the
other group that's, they wouldn't

0:16:52.575,0:16:55.235
necessarily mind that they're not
depressed or anything but also the

0:16:55.235,0:16:56.920
pressure of you're in oppressed
going, what are you doing now?

0:16:56.920,0:16:57.705
Whatcha are doing?
Come on.

0:16:57.905,0:16:58.505
Are you making money?

0:16:58.505,0:16:59.165
You richer?

0:16:59.495,0:17:02.105
And going I don't wanna talk about
what I'm doing because I'm not

0:17:02.105,0:17:03.425
as successful as I want to be.

0:17:03.425,0:17:04.385
In my mind.

0:17:04.445,0:17:06.115
Even though you're like, listen
you don't need to be rich.

0:17:06.115,0:17:07.255
Just talk about your experience.

0:17:07.255,0:17:07.885
Talk about yourself.

0:17:07.885,0:17:12.245
We're doing very few, actually,
very few, the minority.

0:17:12.245,0:17:14.975
Were like, we're gonna come
on, we're gonna talk about it.

0:17:14.975,0:17:16.505
Whether it's good, whether it's bad.

0:17:17.055,0:17:19.275
There are some that don't wanna
talk about the very controversial

0:17:19.275,0:17:20.385
things, which I can understand.

0:17:20.385,0:17:21.495
They're like, we don't wanna
talk about it, but they're

0:17:21.495,0:17:22.845
confident enough to come on.

0:17:23.205,0:17:25.005
That's a small percentage.

0:17:25.125,0:17:28.635
Yeah, it really is because after all that.

0:17:29.160,0:17:32.490
When you sift through it, only that
little group is left that are willing

0:17:32.490,0:17:33.960
to still talk about it and yeah.

0:17:34.410,0:17:37.110
Acknowledge I've even been
on it and are okay with that.

0:17:37.350,0:17:38.550
Majority know.

0:17:39.030,0:17:39.530
Shahin: Yeah.

0:17:39.630,0:17:40.530
Aleksandra King: It's crazy.

0:17:40.590,0:17:40.980
Shahin: Yeah.

0:17:40.980,0:17:41.480
Yeah.

0:17:41.940,0:17:47.660
And that's the the other side of reality
TV v is no one really knows what's going

0:17:47.660,0:17:52.680
on in someone's life and it's easily
misrepresented and what the audience see

0:17:52.680,0:17:55.290
for that, half an hour or 45 minutes.

0:17:55.290,0:18:01.280
You can't judge someone by their actions
in that moment because number one, it's

0:18:01.280,0:18:05.335
edited anyway and so you probably won't
see them in the best light or you might

0:18:05.335,0:18:07.825
do, but then you dunno what's going on.

0:18:08.155,0:18:08.395
Yeah.

0:18:08.395,0:18:11.605
In their mind you don't know what's
made them go on The Apprentice.

0:18:11.605,0:18:15.245
You don't know what their origin story
is or what their belief system is.

0:18:15.245,0:18:15.615
And yeah.

0:18:15.615,0:18:17.985
And as you say, people are going through

0:18:18.035,0:18:18.610
Aleksandra King: some are bad Yes.
Really bad.

0:18:18.610,0:18:19.110
Are really bad,

0:18:19.575,0:18:20.595
Shahin: Mental health issues Yeah.

0:18:20.625,0:18:21.285
And whatnot.

0:18:21.285,0:18:24.795
And it's the other side which
should also be respected as well.

0:18:25.365,0:18:25.995
So Absolutely.

0:18:25.995,0:18:26.835
I totally agree with you.

0:18:26.835,0:18:27.375
Yeah, absolutely.

0:18:27.375,0:18:30.355
Aleksandra King: Because also when you
come out of something like that  what

0:18:30.355,0:18:32.485
sort of home is this person going back to?

0:18:32.485,0:18:34.465
What support system do they have?

0:18:34.515,0:18:37.905
You can psychologists and everything,
but who's at home to give you a hug?

0:18:38.445,0:18:41.115
And have a little cup of tea with,
you've got your dad, your family,

0:18:41.325,0:18:45.985
I've got my family and the big arms
are waiting for Oh, and that hug

0:18:45.985,0:18:47.395
and that like the support network.

0:18:47.395,0:18:48.895
It makes everything okay.

0:18:49.135,0:18:49.585
Yeah.
Doesn't it?

0:18:49.585,0:18:51.265
Yeah.
It's oh, alright.

0:18:51.265,0:18:54.895
But if you don't have that, and let's say
you go home and there's an empty house and

0:18:54.895,0:18:59.095
you're on your own and your mind's going,
then you know, that's a different story.

0:18:59.305,0:19:00.501
Shahin: Yeah.
No and that's the thing.

0:19:00.501,0:19:04.071
When you do go on a show like
that, and if you don't have that

0:19:04.071,0:19:05.871
network is who do you go to?

0:19:06.231,0:19:09.051
And you can find yourself alone.

0:19:09.561,0:19:11.961
And this is where you get into
a depression mode and it's

0:19:11.961,0:19:13.461
really hard to get out that.

0:19:13.491,0:19:16.671
If you don't have, or if you don't speak
to someone about it, because everyone

0:19:16.671,0:19:19.341
assumes, oh, you've been on The Apprentice
or you've been on a reality TV show.

0:19:19.341,0:19:19.701
Yeah.

0:19:19.701,0:19:21.111
You must be set for life now.

0:19:21.261,0:19:21.761
Exactly.

0:19:21.831,0:19:23.061
And it's not the case.

0:19:23.061,0:19:24.501
It's not the case at all.

0:19:24.951,0:19:26.481
It really, you have to make it work.

0:19:26.481,0:19:30.266
You have to make the moves
and in a way it's harder

0:19:30.266,0:19:32.226
Aleksandra King: because you go
on and especially if you're in a

0:19:32.226,0:19:34.956
corporate field, they're like, oh,
come on an apprentice candidate.

0:19:34.956,0:19:37.746
Or you're another, you're
probably horrible and you're

0:19:37.836,0:19:38.166
Shahin: Yeah.

0:19:38.166,0:19:40.596
Aleksandra King: Stupid and you dunno
how to sell and you're arrogant and you

0:19:40.596,0:19:42.096
have to overcome all those obstacles.

0:19:42.096,0:19:43.056
Actually I'm professional.

0:19:43.056,0:19:43.956
I'm very serious.

0:19:43.956,0:19:44.436
Exactly.

0:19:44.436,0:19:44.856
Shahin: Exactly.

0:19:44.856,0:19:45.386
Yeah.

0:19:45.386,0:19:45.716
Creates,

0:19:45.716,0:19:47.006
Aleksandra King: it can create a problem.

0:19:47.426,0:19:47.756
Absolutely.

0:19:47.756,0:19:50.356
And it can also be an, it depends
how you milk it and use it.

0:19:50.356,0:19:50.856
But yeah.

0:19:51.196,0:19:54.406
So you built your career in engineering,
you're branched into business.

0:19:54.766,0:19:59.386
So what keeps you motivated
and comfortable in yourself?

0:19:59.716,0:20:05.206
Shahin: My motivation has always been
to be successful, but getting that

0:20:05.206,0:20:11.246
balance which is, at one point, am
I gonna be happy in, in, in life.

0:20:11.246,0:20:14.096
And I feel like you need to get
that balance right in terms of,

0:20:14.516,0:20:15.956
when are you gonna be happy?

0:20:15.986,0:20:19.996
And when do you start realizing
actually, time is precious as well.

0:20:20.026,0:20:21.196
You gotta make the most of it.

0:20:21.196,0:20:22.336
Time is like a currency.

0:20:22.726,0:20:27.916
Weighing that up it's I'm at a point
in my life where I think I, I did

0:20:27.916,0:20:32.326
the hard work in my twenties and
thirties where now I can relax a bit

0:20:32.326,0:20:35.266
now and enjoy time with the family.

0:20:35.546,0:20:37.226
So that's quite important to me.

0:20:37.466,0:20:40.906
And yeah, when I think about the
future, I think about my kids and so

0:20:40.906,0:20:42.986
they, they're my motivation as well.

0:20:43.406,0:20:44.156
How old are they, your kids?

0:20:44.216,0:20:48.146
So I got two girls nine and seven,
and then I've got a baby boy.

0:20:48.146,0:20:49.906
He is gonna be two in January.

0:20:49.996,0:20:52.186
Aleksandra King: Okay, so quite young
still, you're like Yeah, quite young.

0:20:52.236,0:20:54.936
Shahin: I want to be able to
provide for them and give them

0:20:54.936,0:20:57.731
a good basis a good foundation.

0:20:58.061,0:21:00.581
So they have a decent start in life.

0:21:00.821,0:21:02.141
Aleksandra King: So are you happy then?

0:21:02.921,0:21:03.521
Yeah.

0:21:03.521,0:21:04.021
Sounds like you're,

0:21:04.116,0:21:04.965
Shahin: I think I am.

0:21:04.965,0:21:05.655
I think I am.

0:21:05.705,0:21:08.630
And one of the main things is
having a belief system as well.

0:21:08.630,0:21:13.420
Making sure that whichever religion
you follow for me, I need to make

0:21:13.420,0:21:15.310
sure that we follow our faith.

0:21:15.315,0:21:17.775
And that's something that I
instill in my family as well.

0:21:17.895,0:21:19.635
Aleksandra King: So you, that's
important, your kids, they

0:21:19.635,0:21:20.560
have to their faith follow?

0:21:20.565,0:21:21.225
Yeah, absolutely.

0:21:21.225,0:21:21.555
Yeah.

0:21:21.555,0:21:24.285
Shahin: Yeah, because, 'cause
that's what grounds me as a person.

0:21:24.675,0:21:24.834
Yeah.
It does ground, doesn't it?

0:21:24.834,0:21:28.464
We talked about depression or when you
have times in your life where you're

0:21:28.464,0:21:32.374
feeling a bit low, for me that was,
reaching out to my faith and yeah.

0:21:32.374,0:21:33.089
A hundred
Aleksandra King: percent

0:21:33.279,0:21:34.539
Shahin: that, that, that helps me.

0:21:34.599,0:21:37.599
Aleksandra King: We don't talk
about faith enough at all, I feel

0:21:37.599,0:21:40.569
and it's almost I dunno, in the
west it's become oh yeah, whatever.

0:21:40.569,0:21:43.959
I just think it's quite harsh to say not
everyone, but it has become diminished.

0:21:43.959,0:21:46.509
Europe, it used to be based on
Christian values back in the

0:21:46.509,0:21:48.019
day and I'm Roman Catholics.

0:21:48.019,0:21:48.129
Yeah.

0:21:48.129,0:21:51.009
It is for me I will pray like
when I'm traumatized or something.

0:21:51.009,0:21:51.069
Yeah.

0:21:51.069,0:21:53.589
I get really upset then I
pray, I pray to my God angel.

0:21:53.589,0:21:54.609
I pray to God.

0:21:55.339,0:21:58.819
And also things like it helps you like
in when you're sad about something,

0:21:58.819,0:22:02.559
in our religion it's it teaches you
that you have to allow for the morning

0:22:02.559,0:22:05.259
and then you must put it down and.

0:22:05.304,0:22:05.804
Yeah.

0:22:06.084,0:22:06.624
Too bad, yeah.

0:22:06.654,0:22:07.164
It's gone.

0:22:07.404,0:22:09.024
You grieve, but the grieving ends.

0:22:09.029,0:22:09.354
Yeah.

0:22:09.354,0:22:09.594
Yeah.

0:22:09.594,0:22:12.184
It's not something you carry
through that's, that you're right.

0:22:12.184,0:22:15.004
Those are the stabilizing
grounding values that if you have

0:22:15.004,0:22:16.564
them, it makes things easier.

0:22:17.014,0:22:17.944
So much easier.

0:22:18.034,0:22:18.654
Yeah.
Doesn't it?

0:22:18.874,0:22:19.744
Shahin: Yeah.
No, absolutely.

0:22:19.744,0:22:21.184
Aleksandra King: Tell
me about classic cars.

0:22:21.184,0:22:22.744
I don't know anything about classic cars.

0:22:22.744,0:22:25.234
My sister's husband he
lives in South Africa.

0:22:25.234,0:22:27.694
He's all into that kind of thing,
and they go to all these shows.

0:22:27.694,0:22:27.754
Yeah.

0:22:27.754,0:22:31.204
And they've got all these fancy
cars and things and I don't

0:22:31.204,0:22:33.094
know, like why classic cars.

0:22:33.124,0:22:34.744
Yeah.
What's cool about classic cars?

0:22:34.744,0:22:35.434
Yeah.
Sell it to me.

0:22:35.854,0:22:38.134
Shahin: So I've always
had a passion for cars.

0:22:38.139,0:22:38.344
Yeah.

0:22:38.344,0:22:42.514
And ever since I was a kid, and
obviously growing up, you see all these

0:22:42.514,0:22:45.784
cars on the road and it's a passion.

0:22:45.874,0:22:47.134
It's grown over time.

0:22:47.134,0:22:50.254
And why, I guess they're
like modern classics.

0:22:50.254,0:22:55.144
So from the, like the nineties era
and the eighties and you see these

0:22:55.144,0:23:00.134
cars when you were growing up and
now I've got the opportunity to buy

0:23:00.134,0:23:02.485
them restore 'em, and then, okay.

0:23:02.809,0:23:06.729
And sometimes, if I really like them,
I'll keep 'em, otherwise I'll sell 'em on.

0:23:06.979,0:23:07.039
So

0:23:07.039,0:23:08.054
Aleksandra King: Like
what cars what do you buy?

0:23:08.054,0:23:13.234
Shahin: Let's see classic Mercedes
cars, like a, a 90 92 Mercedes sl.

0:23:13.289,0:23:14.849
Two seats, a convertible.

0:23:15.119,0:23:17.179
They're really nice to buy and sell.

0:23:17.229,0:23:21.529
I've currently got a a Mercedes
s class, which is a 1998.

0:23:21.559,0:23:25.599
It's a modern classic, but it's one that
I've always seen when I was at, when I

0:23:25.599,0:23:29.979
was going to school, I always used to
really have a soft spot for that car.

0:23:29.979,0:23:33.769
And I used to see it in magazines
and luckily I had the chance to

0:23:33.799,0:23:35.659
buy one about four years ago.

0:23:35.659,0:23:37.354
And yeah I've had that ever since.

0:23:37.354,0:23:38.434
And that stored away.

0:23:38.904,0:23:42.864
And yeah, OO other cars vintage
or classic Ferraris as well.

0:23:42.914,0:23:44.294
It's
Aleksandra King: quite an expensive hobby.

0:23:44.294,0:23:44.864
This one.

0:23:44.924,0:23:45.644
Yeah.

0:23:45.649,0:23:46.149
Shahin: Yeah.

0:23:46.154,0:23:46.484
It's liking

0:23:46.484,0:23:46.904
Aleksandra King: cars.

0:23:46.904,0:23:50.384
Let me collect some, it's not toys
like like in the old, when you're a

0:23:50.384,0:23:51.794
kid, you have your little toy cars.

0:23:51.794,0:23:55.304
These are proper big cars and you're
buying, restoring, keeping some of them.

0:23:55.394,0:23:55.894
Yeah.

0:23:56.054,0:23:57.284
So you end up collecting cars.

0:23:57.284,0:23:57.974
That's crazy.

0:23:58.314,0:24:00.184
Shahin: Yeah it's, it
is an expensive hobby.

0:24:00.184,0:24:01.144
We could start off small.

0:24:01.194,0:24:03.814
Some of the classic cars
are, not that expensive.

0:24:03.814,0:24:06.094
You can start off with a couple
of thousand pounds to be honest.

0:24:06.144,0:24:07.874
And spend some time restoring them.

0:24:07.874,0:24:09.164
But yeah, it's a nice hobby.

0:24:09.584,0:24:13.364
Now then I'll sell one and but yeah,
that keeps me busy on the weekends.

0:24:13.364,0:24:13.864
What

0:24:14.144,0:24:14.863
Aleksandra King: is it about the car?
Is it.

0:24:14.969,0:24:17.399
It's look, is it the manufacturer?

0:24:17.399,0:24:18.689
Is it the engine?

0:24:18.689,0:24:19.259
What is it?

0:24:20.019,0:24:20.979
Shahin: It's a bit of everything.

0:24:20.979,0:24:24.019
It's a bit, and it's
something like what can I say?

0:24:24.109,0:24:25.099
How you relate to it.

0:24:25.099,0:24:26.509
So how you relate to a brand.

0:24:26.929,0:24:29.209
There might have been a
certain time in your life where

0:24:29.399,0:24:31.379
you've grown up with a brand.

0:24:31.689,0:24:35.639
And when you start reading into the,
the stories of the brands as well,

0:24:35.639,0:24:39.639
that makes a huge difference to
what as a collectible to yourself.

0:24:39.639,0:24:44.759
You read the Ferrari brand story
and how Ferrari became brand.

0:24:44.949,0:24:46.359
It's a sporting pedigree.

0:24:46.649,0:24:53.129
And winning races, and it's all about
the cars dynamics how the engine was

0:24:53.129,0:24:55.509
designed how it feels on the road.

0:24:55.869,0:25:00.129
So that's a sporting,
pedigrees, a sporting brand.

0:25:00.529,0:25:05.099
And then you compare other brands like
Mercedes more about the technology,

0:25:05.159,0:25:08.949
about the luxuriousness and how
they built German engineering.

0:25:09.219,0:25:11.639
And then you look at British
brands like let's say Bentley.

0:25:11.689,0:25:13.819
Handcrafted Handbuilt.

0:25:13.869,0:25:16.649
Now with technology, they
do it a lot with automation.

0:25:16.949,0:25:21.879
But yeah, it's every brand has a story
and when you could tell it and experience

0:25:21.879,0:25:24.049
that and drive that it really does.

0:25:24.099,0:25:25.689
Connect you emotionally as well.

0:25:25.819,0:25:28.219
Aleksandra King: Which is your
favorite and why, which one

0:25:28.219,0:25:29.359
are you most connected with?

0:25:29.569,0:25:33.949
Shahin: Because I've owned a Ferrari
and having been through that process

0:25:33.949,0:25:39.169
of kind of restoring a classic Ferrari
it was a Ferrari 4, 5, 6 I would say

0:25:39.169,0:25:41.269
I'm quite attached to that brand.

0:25:41.329,0:25:45.819
And when you read the story of
the Ferrari story it's very much

0:25:45.819,0:25:52.099
connected to the racing pedigree and
how they became a, a major brand in.

0:25:52.869,0:25:53.644
In the world.

0:25:53.704,0:25:57.394
That I guess would be the one brand
that I really do connect with.

0:25:57.489,0:25:57.899
Yeah.

0:25:57.899,0:25:58.379
Intimately.
Isn't

0:25:58.379,0:26:00.219
Aleksandra King: Hamilton
going to Ferrari?

0:26:00.249,0:26:01.804
It's, what do you think about that?

0:26:01.894,0:26:01.984
I

0:26:01.984,0:26:07.264
Shahin: think it's an amazing move
for him to go into the Ferrari family.

0:26:07.324,0:26:09.994
It'll be an interesting season next year.

0:26:10.634,0:26:12.789
Aleksandra King: Do you think he's
gonna perform on the same level,

0:26:13.279,0:26:14.599
Shahin: He's a lot older now.

0:26:14.649,0:26:17.649
And you want, everyone probably
will compare 'em to Schumacher and

0:26:17.699,0:26:20.129
I hope he does make a big impact.

0:26:20.569,0:26:25.039
He's had a difficult time at
Mercedes, so I think because he's

0:26:25.039,0:26:29.279
had the opportunity to go to Ferrari
now he's got something to prove.

0:26:29.279,0:26:34.619
So I think mentally he'll push himself as
hard as possible, and I think everybody

0:26:34.619,0:26:36.839
in Ferrari will also be right behind him.

0:26:36.889,0:26:41.329
Aleksandra King: What's the one
value from your upbringing, the one

0:26:41.539,0:26:42.949
that you want them to carry forward?

0:26:42.999,0:26:46.509
Shahin: The one value, I would say
is to have a good belief system.

0:26:46.939,0:26:53.819
Because by being grounded in, in,
in your belief system, you have you,

0:26:53.819,0:26:58.229
you'll automatically get things like
integrity, as I said before, doing

0:26:58.229,0:27:01.609
the right thing when no one's looking.

0:27:01.759,0:27:03.719
And yeah, I think that would be the.

0:27:04.109,0:27:06.719
The key value is having a belief system.

0:27:07.239,0:27:10.339
And automatically, integrity
plays a huge part in that.

0:27:10.399,0:27:14.674
And being yourself, being
honest to yourself and yeah.

0:27:15.634,0:27:15.754
Aleksandra King: Okay.

0:27:15.754,0:27:19.204
Important in terms of, cultural
heritage and background.

0:27:19.204,0:27:23.704
So as a Bangladeshi British engineer,
entrepreneur, what do you think we

0:27:23.704,0:27:27.484
often overlook about the contribution
of immigrants to this country?

0:27:27.844,0:27:30.574
Shahin: Look, immigrants in
this country have played a huge

0:27:30.574,0:27:33.064
part socially, economically.

0:27:33.664,0:27:40.554
We play a huge part and because we do
play such a important part without us,

0:27:40.914,0:27:44.604
Britain isn't Britain as it is today.

0:27:45.164,0:27:48.224
And yeah, we do play a huge part.

0:27:48.779,0:27:48.989
Aleksandra King: Yeah.

0:27:48.989,0:27:51.959
And what do you think about the
UK's direction on immigration?

0:27:52.859,0:27:57.079
Shahin: Look the challenges that they
have at the moment with, immigrants

0:27:57.139,0:27:59.959
coming in illegally, that's not right.

0:27:59.959,0:28:03.119
And there should be mechanisms
in place and you gotta follow the

0:28:03.119,0:28:05.008
process to get into the country.

0:28:05.278,0:28:07.079
So that must be followed.

0:28:07.079,0:28:11.218
And we want the right people coming
into the country who will contribute

0:28:11.218,0:28:16.798
to society, to the economy,
who will help the economy grow.

0:28:17.038,0:28:22.028
That's what we want to make it a more
diverse and strong place to live.

0:28:22.088,0:28:24.518
And so that is what I support.

0:28:24.648,0:28:24.828
Aleksandra King: Is.

0:28:24.828,0:28:28.201
It is it is a bit like you wouldn't let
everyone and anyone come into your house.

0:28:28.201,0:28:29.371
You look, who is that?

0:28:29.401,0:28:29.791
Yep.

0:28:29.791,0:28:32.491
Security, this, that you can come
in, you're a friend, whatever.

0:28:32.641,0:28:33.661
Then you let people in.

0:28:33.661,0:28:35.851
But it can't be free for
all, I think, isn't it?

0:28:35.851,0:28:36.151
Yeah.

0:28:36.151,0:28:40.381
But at the same time, you need the
skills and you need to be able to pull

0:28:40.381,0:28:45.532
in and I love the way that the UK's
diverse and there's a lot going on and

0:28:45.532,0:28:47.871
it's that international like sizzle.

0:28:47.871,0:28:49.221
It does put it on another level.

0:28:49.401,0:28:51.111
Yeah.
There's massive advantages to that.

0:28:51.171,0:28:52.252
Yeah.
Massive advantages.

0:28:52.792,0:28:55.707
But yeah, it needs to be
safe, secure, doesn't it?

0:28:55.881,0:28:56.381
It just,

0:28:56.391,0:28:56.931
Shahin: yeah, no.

0:28:56.941,0:29:04.211
If you look at say, NHS for example the, I
think it's like a quarter of the workforce

0:29:04.211,0:29:08.401
are from ethnic minority backgrounds
and, they provide such an important

0:29:08.861,0:29:12.131
service to everybody without them.

0:29:12.481,0:29:15.291
It will cripple pretty much
and come to a standstill.

0:29:15.341,0:29:16.991
That's just an example of the NHS.

0:29:16.991,0:29:22.911
But then if you look at, say, technology,
the amount of scientists the engineers,

0:29:22.911,0:29:29.302
the programmers that UK need to compete on
a global scale, we do need that influx of

0:29:29.307,0:29:33.357
the right talent to come through to help
these companies in the UK who are based in

0:29:33.357,0:29:40.117
the UK to really thrive and make England
or uk a superpower to compete against

0:29:40.117,0:29:43.057
the likes of say, America, China, India.

0:29:43.057,0:29:44.557
Aleksandra King: In that case,
we can't have brain drain.

0:29:44.887,0:29:44.947
No.

0:29:44.947,0:29:47.707
'cause there's so many intelligent,
qualified people leaving because they're

0:29:47.707,0:29:49.587
getting higher paid jobs elsewhere,

0:29:49.637,0:29:52.597
and there's this whole thing like
the labor government and, raise

0:29:52.597,0:29:54.457
taxes, let's punish the rich.

0:29:54.457,0:29:54.937
Let's do that.

0:29:54.937,0:29:57.937
But I'm, I am really not of that mindset.

0:29:57.967,0:30:02.947
I am genuinely of a mindset of create
an environment in your country that

0:30:02.947,0:30:07.347
encourages that growth, that sizzle,
make it a fertile landscape that

0:30:07.347,0:30:09.567
businesses wanna set their roots in.

0:30:09.687,0:30:10.947
Yeah.
Make it fertile for them.

0:30:10.947,0:30:15.217
Because with these businesses come, jobs
come the intelligent, the brain powers

0:30:15.217,0:30:18.727
coming in, and then the economy starts
moving because you can raise taxes

0:30:18.727,0:30:21.907
as much as you want, and you can make
life very unpleasant for everyone here.

0:30:22.567,0:30:24.187
But where's your growth coming from?

0:30:24.217,0:30:24.667
Shahin: Yeah.

0:30:24.667,0:30:26.857
Aleksandra King: And even the growth
plan that we have now in the UK

0:30:26.857,0:30:28.117
for growth, I don't buy into it.

0:30:28.117,0:30:31.117
I don't buy into the whole, I dunno
how much you know about it, but

0:30:31.117,0:30:34.197
the whole like let's just invest in
this green energy and everything.

0:30:34.197,0:30:35.187
Yeah.
I love the environment.

0:30:35.187,0:30:37.407
I'll do anything like I'm
crazy about birds and I'm

0:30:37.407,0:30:38.667
obsessed with the environment.

0:30:38.667,0:30:39.167
Okay.

0:30:39.537,0:30:41.727
But at the same time,
you've gotta be realistic.

0:30:41.757,0:30:41.847
Yeah.

0:30:41.847,0:30:47.507
And wind and solar energy, I was
actually researching it this morning.

0:30:47.507,0:30:51.597
I was looking into it is, it's very good
and they're investing it or whatever.

0:30:51.597,0:30:55.827
On some level it's, it seems good, but
actually when you look into what you need

0:30:55.827,0:30:57.927
the components that comes from China.

0:30:58.377,0:31:03.387
And it's if you wanna be independent with
your energy, then why are you doing that?

0:31:03.627,0:31:08.037
And also, nuclear,  it's more reliable
because the output is like 90%.

0:31:08.247,0:31:11.187
Whereas with wind and solar it's
30% or 35, so you're not really

0:31:11.187,0:31:12.327
getting banged for your buck.

0:31:12.447,0:31:12.717
Shahin: Yeah.

0:31:12.717,0:31:15.057
Aleksandra King: But the
UK is investing massively.

0:31:15.057,0:31:15.447
Yeah.

0:31:15.447,0:31:16.587
Into wind and solar.

0:31:16.587,0:31:22.317
Shahin: We do need a a bed of, businesses
who are gonna be thriving, who are

0:31:22.317,0:31:24.417
gonna be creating new opportunities.

0:31:24.497,0:31:29.507
And if you do deter those entrepreneurs
or those startups that really

0:31:29.507,0:31:32.837
want to be based here, but then if
you scare them off, they'll go to

0:31:32.837,0:31:35.517
other countries, because they'll
be providing them with grants

0:31:35.567,0:31:37.277
potentially lower taxes and whatnot.

0:31:37.287,0:31:42.587
They really do need to focus on, what's
it gonna take to make the UK a superpower?

0:31:42.887,0:31:48.477
Because China are increasing
their manufacturing capabilities.

0:31:48.537,0:31:52.167
You got the likes of India as
well who are real superpower now.

0:31:52.437,0:31:57.887
Now you've got Trump in, he wants
America to be a, establish themselves

0:31:57.887,0:31:59.567
as a as, as a manufacturer.

0:31:59.567,0:32:03.037
Now, they're gonna be investing
a lot of money into the rust

0:32:03.037,0:32:05.477
Belt to create new opportunities.

0:32:05.477,0:32:10.617
So for the UK to compete with
those economies, we do need to

0:32:10.617,0:32:15.197
make it as and, interesting and
enticing as possible for Yeah.

0:32:15.227,0:32:18.517
UK startups and businesses in
general and give them some relief

0:32:18.877,0:32:20.017
on, on, on some of these Yeah.

0:32:20.077,0:32:20.947
Technologies.

0:32:20.947,0:32:21.247
You've got

0:32:21.247,0:32:22.867
Aleksandra King: an entrepreneur
running the country, so he's

0:32:22.867,0:32:24.127
gonna look at the assets.

0:32:24.127,0:32:25.897
What do we have, what are our resources?

0:32:25.897,0:32:26.557
What are the people?

0:32:26.557,0:32:27.427
How much money do we have?

0:32:27.427,0:32:28.447
How much debt do we have?

0:32:28.807,0:32:31.937
And then manage the books, and make it
so you're growing and getting profitable.

0:32:31.967,0:32:32.627
It's like business.

0:32:32.632,0:32:33.132
It's business.

0:32:33.287,0:32:33.442
Come on.

0:32:33.442,0:32:35.602
Shahin: Trump has
appointed Elon Musk Yeah.

0:32:35.632,0:32:37.252
To do some efficiencies.

0:32:37.252,0:32:37.642
Yeah.

0:32:37.642,0:32:39.532
Aleksandra King: I think
it's fantastic, to be honest.

0:32:39.532,0:32:40.672
It's really interesting.

0:32:40.672,0:32:45.682
You've got someone who is highly
intelligent, who has run successful

0:32:45.682,0:32:48.957
companies all his life, and now
he's managed to get a seat at

0:32:48.957,0:32:51.397
the table with president Trump.

0:32:51.427,0:32:55.517
And now he has the
opportunity to cut out waste.

0:32:55.517,0:32:57.237
Waste and imagine if,

0:32:57.242,0:32:58.067
which, there's a lot of it.

0:32:58.067,0:32:58.392
Yeah, of course.

0:32:58.392,0:33:01.612
And, in this government, if you had
to, if you looked into the nhs Yeah.

0:33:01.672,0:33:05.242
You know how many spiderwebs
cobwebs Absolutely.

0:33:05.242,0:33:06.442
You Oh my God.

0:33:06.902,0:33:10.382
Shahin: And I'm certain some people
are worried in the government

0:33:10.382,0:33:13.082
that, oh, if America have done
this, why can't we do something?

0:33:13.367,0:33:13.647
Yeah.
Because they're

0:33:13.647,0:33:14.227
Aleksandra King: hiding.
They're hiding.

0:33:14.492,0:33:14.552
Yeah.

0:33:14.552,0:33:16.322
Not there's employees in
the office, they hide.

0:33:16.322,0:33:17.072
Yeah, absolutely.

0:33:17.072,0:33:17.572
They.

0:33:17.712,0:33:17.962
And

0:33:17.962,0:33:19.822
Shahin: I was on LinkedIn
just this morning.

0:33:19.902,0:33:23.582
And the owner of BrewDog, even, he
was saying, do you know what, maybe

0:33:23.582,0:33:26.482
I should apply for a job like this
in the UK government, there's an

0:33:26.482,0:33:28.192
opportunity here to cut out waste.

0:33:28.192,0:33:28.642
And, but they

0:33:28.642,0:33:30.412
Aleksandra King: don't want you to
'cause they wanna continue hiding.

0:33:30.442,0:33:31.372
Shahin: Yeah, exactly.

0:33:31.372,0:33:32.452
And that's the scary bit.

0:33:32.452,0:33:36.142
And, for someone, like a party
like labor that's not good.

0:33:36.422,0:33:38.882
Aleksandra King: On Elon Musk,
he released the tweet actually.

0:33:38.912,0:33:39.242
Okay.

0:33:39.242,0:33:44.932
About energy costs in the uk and it's
like lists like a whole bunch of, top

0:33:44.932,0:33:46.882
countries, important countries, whatever.

0:33:47.212,0:33:48.892
And their energy costs.

0:33:48.892,0:33:54.322
And then you've got the UK at the top with
the costs almost off the chart and then

0:33:54.322,0:33:56.272
everyone else there and with low costs.

0:33:56.392,0:33:56.782
Yeah.

0:33:56.782,0:33:59.602
So this is what I'm talking about, the UK.

0:34:00.107,0:34:02.147
Already it's 50% Yeah.

0:34:02.267,0:34:03.257
Renewables.

0:34:03.257,0:34:04.697
And we're going heavy into that.

0:34:04.697,0:34:05.477
We're spending money.

0:34:05.717,0:34:08.507
It's very expensive to get this going.

0:34:08.537,0:34:08.867
Yeah.

0:34:08.867,0:34:10.247
Very expensive.

0:34:10.427,0:34:11.237
We're massively in debt.

0:34:11.317,0:34:17.617
How are we rich enough to start going to
the most expensive energy when look at

0:34:17.617,0:34:20.857
our costs, look at our debt, our growth,

0:34:21.767,0:34:22.267
Shahin: Yeah.

0:34:22.277,0:34:26.282
And that's I guess the good thing
about Trump is he has that belief

0:34:26.282,0:34:27.842
that they can do it themselves.

0:34:28.082,0:34:30.242
Yeah.
And he is taken on the right people.

0:34:30.242,0:34:30.302
Yeah.

0:34:30.302,0:34:33.817
And he's not scared of,
politicians who are bullies Yeah.

0:34:33.817,0:34:35.577
And always been there
bullies and know it all.

0:34:35.682,0:34:39.676
And I think UK obviously, don't have
that stance and they can't do that.

0:34:39.676,0:34:40.096
Really?

0:34:40.096,0:34:41.926
Aleksandra King: Yeah.
We need someone for the uk.

0:34:42.466,0:34:45.406
That's okay, you putting America
first, we're putting the UK first.

0:34:45.406,0:34:46.906
We're putting the UK back on the map.

0:34:46.906,0:34:52.026
We need like a Thatchers style tough,
put its arms around the country and go

0:34:52.026,0:34:57.546
Right world, the UK's back and we're all
about Britain and this is how it's gonna

0:34:57.546,0:34:59.946
be from now on and use what we've got.

0:34:59.996,0:35:04.586
Use what we've got in house and grow
that instead of, stop wasting money.

0:35:04.636,0:35:05.206
Shahin: I agree.

0:35:05.206,0:35:06.206
But it's really difficult.

0:35:06.256,0:35:07.396
Who would do that?

0:35:07.466,0:35:07.631
We need

0:35:07.631,0:35:09.581
Aleksandra King: someone
with guts that's brave.

0:35:09.691,0:35:10.471
Pretty smart.

0:35:10.471,0:35:12.841
You don't have to even be that smart
'cause this is quite basic stuff, not with

0:35:12.841,0:35:13.501
Shahin: sugar, right?

0:35:16.231,0:35:16.731
Aleksandra King: Come on.

0:35:17.611,0:35:18.451
Absolutely not.

0:35:18.456,0:35:18.956
No.

0:35:19.201,0:35:19.561
No.

0:35:19.561,0:35:21.001
I don't think the country can.

0:35:21.676,0:35:22.201
No deal them.

0:35:22.261,0:35:22.576
Shahin: No.

0:35:22.576,0:35:24.586
Aleksandra King: I mean you
would have them as advisors,

0:35:24.586,0:35:25.546
like the sugars and that.

0:35:25.696,0:35:25.786
Yeah.

0:35:25.786,0:35:28.516
I totally would believe in bringing
people, like getting it right.

0:35:28.516,0:35:31.246
You tell me from business
perspec perspective, what

0:35:31.246,0:35:32.416
would you like to see on tax?

0:35:32.416,0:35:35.716
Shahin: The other, the challenge
that we have is obviously that's one

0:35:35.716,0:35:39.106
group of people who want that, but
then you've got socialists who want.

0:35:39.496,0:35:40.576
Aleksandra King: Oh, socialists.

0:35:40.636,0:35:43.476
Shahin: The, the come on the great,
for the greater good for people

0:35:43.576,0:35:44.596
who are struggling, it's a greater

0:35:44.596,0:35:45.851
Aleksandra King: good
for them when you know.

0:35:45.911,0:35:47.831
Shahin: Yeah.
So you know, it's getting that balance.

0:35:47.931,0:35:48.231
Okay.
But

0:35:48.231,0:35:50.241
Aleksandra King: socialist
countries, so like in Sweden.

0:35:50.361,0:35:50.631
Yeah.

0:35:50.631,0:35:53.811
So their healthcare system
is incredibly efficient.

0:35:53.871,0:35:54.051
Yeah.

0:35:54.051,0:35:57.261
It's, but it's built
for a socialist system.

0:35:57.411,0:35:57.861
Yeah.

0:35:57.861,0:35:59.241
It's designed in that way.

0:35:59.271,0:36:00.831
It's quite centralized.

0:36:00.831,0:36:03.981
Not like our NHS with
multiple units and divisions.

0:36:04.031,0:36:07.751
It's run in a way that's good for
socialist type government, but their

0:36:07.751,0:36:10.121
debt is very low compared to us.

0:36:10.511,0:36:13.271
We have a totally different
scenario going on.

0:36:13.341,0:36:15.321
And we need to look at it like that.

0:36:15.321,0:36:17.986
Shahin: I, you are, as you were
talking, I was just thinking, yeah.

0:36:18.046,0:36:19.596
You look at salaries.

0:36:19.656,0:36:19.836
Yeah.

0:36:19.836,0:36:24.176
The average salary in the uk
versus the rate of inflation

0:36:24.176,0:36:25.826
and the cost of house prices.

0:36:26.456,0:36:27.476
How do you tackle that?

0:36:27.476,0:36:31.116
You compare that to say the
nineties even, early noughties.

0:36:31.456,0:36:37.036
There's no way that a, a buyer now
who's just come out of university

0:36:37.066,0:36:39.376
is able to afford to buy a house.

0:36:39.886,0:36:44.296
And what the government's doing now
is obviously restricting all these

0:36:44.296,0:36:49.446
landlords and investors in not to
buy property and give them a chance.

0:36:49.446,0:36:53.066
But then that's the opportunity
is you need investors.

0:36:53.066,0:36:57.326
You need those people who will create
those opportunities, the jobs who will

0:36:57.326,0:36:59.036
be developing properties, et cetera.

0:36:59.036,0:36:59.536
And yeah.

0:37:00.156,0:37:06.356
By trying to tax heavily tax those
investors and developers, it still

0:37:06.386,0:37:09.566
alienates these, first time buyers
because they still can't get

0:37:09.566,0:37:11.766
onto the, property land anyway.

0:37:12.216,0:37:16.776
So it, it's a real, difficult situation
that they've put a lot of people in.

0:37:16.836,0:37:19.636
When it comes to investing in the uk,

0:37:19.756,0:37:19.996
Aleksandra King: difficult.

0:37:19.996,0:37:22.021
Yeah, no, it's not a good
place to invest right now.

0:37:22.071,0:37:25.131
And the other thing, Musk said, actually,
I dunno if you saw this, was he also

0:37:25.131,0:37:27.391
attacked the labor government now.

0:37:27.391,0:37:31.891
So on free speech saying that they're
releasing criminals from overcrowded

0:37:31.891,0:37:37.101
prisons, but then putting people into
jail for opposing, contradictory Yeah.

0:37:37.131,0:37:38.181
Views to the government.

0:37:38.211,0:37:38.812
What do you think about that?

0:37:38.866,0:37:42.346
Shahin: I don't see why Elon Musk
is getting involved in British

0:37:42.346,0:37:43.726
politics, to be honest with you.

0:37:43.726,0:37:46.746
I don't care that he owns Twitter,
but there's no need for him to

0:37:46.746,0:37:51.286
meddle in UK politics and he's quite
controversial himself, to be honest.

0:37:51.291,0:37:53.841
He was he didn't support
Trump all his life.

0:37:53.841,0:37:57.091
He, it is only been the last few
years last few Mo a couple of

0:37:57.091,0:37:59.791
years probably where he switched
sides, to be honest, though.

0:37:59.796,0:38:00.566
Aleksandra King: He was, yeah.

0:38:00.566,0:38:01.771
He was Democrat.

0:38:01.771,0:38:02.191
Yeah.

0:38:02.191,0:38:02.691
So I turned,

0:38:03.776,0:38:06.296
Shahin: I don't see why he's
meddling in UK politics.

0:38:06.296,0:38:07.251
There's no need for him to do that.

0:38:07.251,0:38:07.531
It's

0:38:07.531,0:38:09.076
Aleksandra King: okay to
change your mind, but yes.

0:38:09.076,0:38:10.126
Vance changed his mind.

0:38:10.126,0:38:10.636
His, yeah.

0:38:11.236,0:38:13.006
He hated him, and then now he likes him.

0:38:13.006,0:38:13.396
Oh, there you go.

0:38:13.396,0:38:14.701
Yeah.
But you're allowed to, yeah.

0:38:15.011,0:38:17.791
Shahin: Allowed to, Elon Musk
probably has a, a hidden agenda.

0:38:17.791,0:38:18.151
Anyway.

0:38:18.151,0:38:20.311
He's now made it into the White House.

0:38:21.181,0:38:21.751
Yeah.

0:38:21.751,0:38:24.321
You never know what, who do you
think's gonna be the next president?

0:38:24.741,0:38:26.001
Elon Musk might be knocking.

0:38:26.001,0:38:27.411
I'll tell, you'll tell you
what I like on the door.

0:38:27.601,0:38:32.401
Aleksandra King: I want someone that's
gonna really like with every single cell

0:38:32.401,0:38:34.171
in their body want the best for Britain.

0:38:34.231,0:38:34.731
Yeah.

0:38:34.891,0:38:37.171
And bring Britain like
properly back on a map.

0:38:37.171,0:38:38.311
We've got very political Yeah.

0:38:38.461,0:38:41.131
This is just really
swung in that direction.

0:38:41.131,0:38:44.131
I don't know, it's obviously
a hot topic, but what, in your

0:38:44.131,0:38:45.841
opinion, that makes a good leader?

0:38:45.841,0:38:47.221
And then I've got one
more question after that.

0:38:47.301,0:38:54.771
Shahin: It's how to motivate your people
and empowering them and trusting them.

0:38:55.131,0:39:00.681
And what Covid has taught us is that
you need to trust your employees, the

0:39:00.681,0:39:04.941
people that work for you, because work
can still be done even when you're

0:39:04.941,0:39:07.221
at home or not on site and stuff.

0:39:07.221,0:39:07.311
Yes.

0:39:07.311,0:39:10.551
So I think that shift, that
mindset has shifted and it's

0:39:10.551,0:39:11.901
probably changed a lot of peoples.

0:39:11.901,0:39:12.651
Aleksandra King: Last question.

0:39:12.651,0:39:13.461
It's twofold.

0:39:13.511,0:39:14.711
What's next for you?

0:39:15.281,0:39:18.701
And also how would you
like to be remembered?

0:39:18.701,0:39:21.131
What do you want people to know about you?

0:39:21.251,0:39:21.751
Shahin: Yeah.

0:39:22.246,0:39:24.676
Next for me, I still.

0:39:25.801,0:39:27.241
We'll be investing in property.

0:39:27.241,0:39:28.291
So I'll continue doing that.

0:39:28.346,0:39:30.956
Continue buying and selling cars.

0:39:31.416,0:39:35.596
And yeah try and keep fit, stay healthy.

0:39:35.996,0:39:38.456
I think those are the kind of,
and enjoy life, to be honest.

0:39:38.456,0:39:39.496
Aleksandra King: How do
you wanna be remembered?

0:39:39.796,0:39:40.756
Shahin: To be remembered?

0:39:40.806,0:39:42.756
Someone who's authentic and honest?

0:39:42.876,0:39:47.896
A realist, one thing I'd probably
say is to, your audience is don't

0:39:47.896,0:39:52.096
be phased by what on social media
because it's not always real.

0:39:52.146,0:39:52.866
A picture.

0:39:53.436,0:39:55.056
Can say a lot of things.

0:39:55.106,0:39:58.166
You look at someone and you think
they're really successful, they don't

0:39:58.166,0:40:00.086
have any problems in life and whatnot.

0:40:00.086,0:40:06.386
But actually when you look deep into their
life, you realize they have problems,

0:40:06.386,0:40:08.426
everyday problems that you have as well.

0:40:08.426,0:40:11.276
So don't think that they
are someone really special.

0:40:11.326,0:40:12.976
They just everyday people.

0:40:13.336,0:40:13.936
Aleksandra King: That's life.

0:40:15.286,0:40:16.576
Thank you for coming on the podcast.

0:40:16.581,0:40:17.021
Thank you for having me.

0:40:17.021,0:40:17.861
It's been lovely having you.

0:40:17.861,0:40:18.856
Yeah.
Thank you so much.

0:40:18.916,0:40:19.416
Shahin: Thank you.