She Didn’t Find Heaven – She Built It | Deborah Mitchell | Heavan Skincare

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Through my eyes, I've never
achieved enough.

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Deborah Mitchell, founder of a
successful global skin care

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brand, The Royal A list
facialist, beauty innovator and

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pioneer of natural formulas
including the world famous B

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Venom Facial.
Anyway, it went all over the

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world and I became a
multimillionaire overnight.

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You do look.
Incredibly young.

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Let me just.
That's pretty like.

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Literally.
Oh thank you for saying that,

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but they stole all my formulas.
Yeah, yeah.

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Should have done.
In business that happens is a

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lot of stories.
Once you've achieved or you've

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got a grounding, you don't get
men as much saying, you know,

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questioning.
But when I hadn't achieved and I

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wanted to change my packaging, I
found a company.

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It was Roma Glass and they
wouldn't supply me because I was

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a woman.
And thanks for coming in.

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And I'm just wondering how are
we going to introduce you and

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how do we introduce Someone Like
You?

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Because you're absolutely
brilliant with what you've

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achieved.
You've literally gone and built

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a business from nothing to
everything.

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You've done it by yourself.
You have no investors, you're

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not getting much help.
You've done this yourself.

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You've suffered all the pain of
it and then you've got the

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rewards with an incredible skin
care brand and not only have you

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built a skin care brand, but
you're a innovator.

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So you design the products, you
come up with these concepts,

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which is a very creative
process.

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So you are building the
business.

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You're also hugely creative and
hugely successful so I it's my

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honour, absolute honour to have
you on here and learn, learn,

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learn, learn from you.
Well, do you know what,

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Alexandra?
It was absolutely fantastic to

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be invited on this amazing
podcast that you've got.

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And I am actually really
thrilled to be here.

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I am.
I love the area.

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We were saying earlier, we, I
love the way people say hi.

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Yeah, it's great.
You know, it's a nice area, nice

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friendly area.
That's nice.

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I'm glad people have been have
good manners.

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I mean, it's not always like
that, but it's nice.

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It's nice when people say hello
and when they're friendly.

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I don't even believe that I've
done you justice with the

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introduction.
So I would like to know how you

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see yourself.
Like what do you do and how do

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you see?
What do you do what you do and

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do you feel that you're
successful?

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I do feel I'm successful, but I
think success is probably

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through the mirror of somebody
else's eyes to be honest,

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because it was through my eyes.
I've never achieved enough

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through other people.
Obviously I, I am.

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I can be in a restaurant and
people can recognise me and they

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can be thrilled about my
products.

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They love using my products.
And I think, yeah, I get fan

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mail.
I got some more fan mail this

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week which is all all very nice
and I don't know what obviously

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when you are what, what says
success to me.

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I think when I was younger there
is things that I did want and I

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achieved those and they said
success to me.

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But now success is a different
conversation.

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So it's.
Changed, it's a change, it's a

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change conversation.
So if you take yourself sort of

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back to when I first started
out, I mean, maybe, maybe I'll

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mention obviously I'm flying all
over the world, I'm in palaces,

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I'm meeting people, I'm meeting
friends of very important people

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and they're they are really,
really lovely to me.

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So that actually does say
success because you're there or

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you're in the right place, the
right place.

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Hanging around the palace, I
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Hanging around the palace, yeah.
We do more than hanging around

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but.
We'll get but also hanging

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around the people around the
palace, Yeah, that look after

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the palace or speak to the
palace and things like that,

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which I had a really wonderful
meeting with an amazing person

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that sort of so and and I
probably wouldn't have met that

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person if I hadn't been involved
with the palace.

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Gosh.
So I was very lucky.

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I don't want to go into tea.
I know.

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I know you.
I know.

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We'll be careful.
But it is you have to be

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careful.
But and that was like, oh wow,

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that's nice.
Isn't that nice?

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That's so, you know, somebody,
you know, and, and, and I feel

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very honoured when I get these
things.

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You know they're not.
Something I've noticed about you

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and because Sammy is saying
who's coming in?

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Who's coming in?
Who are you interviewing today?

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And and I was saying to him, and
one thing I had to say about you

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is that despite all your
success, and you do literally

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hang around the palace and you
rub shoulders with these amazing

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people and you've achieved
enormous success professionally.

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You're a very down to earth,
relaxing person to be around.

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But OK, let's let's get into
this.

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So you're known as the
facialists to Royals and, you

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know, a star celebrities.
So for those that are watching

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that don't know what a facialist
is, what is that?

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So I'm actually a fully
qualified beauty therapist and I

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actually make my own skin care
range.

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Made it for years and and love
it so to be a facialist, a

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facialist has to be somebody
that's very special and

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different.
And what I do in my treatments

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is people have said it's
miraculous.

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They levitate out of their body
and they feel incredibly.

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This is the things that they say
they feel incredibly different.

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Some people cry, some don't.
Their face gets altered into an

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another sort of look.
Yeah, 10 years younger is quite

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an easy thing to say, but it's
not that.

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It's like a childlike look that
they gain from not just the skin

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care, but the manipulation of
the head and and the body and

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the transformation of their.
They're literally their soul,

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really.
So we train this all over the

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world.
I like to hope that I'm, like,

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really good.
And the people I train aren't

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actually as good as me, right?
But are.

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They good as.
Well, they're pretty good.

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They are pretty good.
I've trained, we've trained them

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really well, but I actually feel
that that is my, my, my life and

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the way I want to be.
I want to be good to people and

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look after people and I really
don't mind if they are royalty

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or if they are anybody really,
you know, please don't think I

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would be just only doing
celebrities or anything like

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that.
It's quite.

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An intimate thing to get.
So you, you've got the skin care

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business, you've got these
products and we'll get into it.

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You, you actually design the
product, you know what goes into

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them and you choose what goes
into them.

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But then you're also the
facialist and you've, you've,

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you've done this for how many
years now have you been doing?

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This Well, yeah, 30 years, our
business is incorporated.

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I say ours, mine and my daughter
Ella, yes, and but obviously I

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was 18. 18 when you started with
this whole.

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Yeah, little cow.
Well, I didn't have a couch to

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begin with.
I had AI had actually the the

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their bed, their their, their
city.

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So I'd go round to the house.
I couldn't afford any skin care

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products, so I'd make a product
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Gosh, and how did you know what
to make it with?

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Because I was trained, so I was
trained.

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I'm thoroughly trained in skin
care making.

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So that is actually part of my
my higher national diploma

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course, degree course.
Because to do that, it's a, it's

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a very intimate thing.
You really come up and close to

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someone, you know, and that
person, in a way, they're

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vulnerable as well.
They sort of lie in there and,

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and you're working on their face
and you're doing all these

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treatments and it is a very,
it's like a connection.

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It, it, it, it was a really
beautiful connection every time

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because and I couldn't even
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So I'd remember their, their
time slot in my head.

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And so I would only book them.
It's really funny because I, I

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look back to what happened to me
then and it created my business

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and I will mention it now
because I could only remember

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every two weeks.
So I couldn't, they couldn't

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book on every three weeks.
So without to book every week or

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every every two weeks.
And to be absolutely truthful,

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it was actually a all of these
things made me more successful,

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like handing them the product
free afterwards when they were

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going to buy it, I would always
hand a product free.

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But in my head I would be
handing it free.

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They would be purchasing it, but
I would be handing it free

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because being quite healing sort
of person, I'm not really one, a

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big one on selling things.
So that actually changed the,

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the attitude of me.
So every time I hand something

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over, I'm sort of in my head,
it's like free.

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It's not that they're they're
paying, so they're paying for

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the product now, but it's like
our most beautiful product, our

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most gorgeous product is it's an
age defiance anti aging product.

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And so this is my favorite
product of all time.

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It's not the best seller at the
moment because we don't

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publicise it.
And this is the one that stopped

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me having acne.
So I absolutely love this

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product but it's stopped me
having acne and actually keeps

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me younger.
So it's a beautiful product and

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it's one of the key ingredients
to my range, I believe.

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What is the product?
So it's called Age Defiance

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Moisturizer.
And what's it got in it that

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that defies age?
It's.

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Got it's got an ingredient
called DSH.

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So there's a lot of hyaluronic
out acids out there, but they're

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not all equal.
And this one is the best of the

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bunch.
It's called demethanol salon

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hyaluronate, and I found this
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time in my career, which I'll
tell you about in a second, but

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it was very, very expensive.
It's still very expensive and

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the reason it's so expensive
probably is because nobody uses

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it, only me.
And I think that makes the

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product so much more, the
ingredients so much more

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expensive.
And hopefully nobody will look

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at it and pinch it out there,
but it makes the skin look very,

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very young, very sort of it.
It makes the skin come out, pop

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out and you can use it under
your eyes.

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And it's just gorgeous, gorgeous
ingredient.

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Anyway, I founded that I found
that ingredient because over the

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time what happened to me is I
was doing treatments on people

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in their own home.
Then I'd go various different

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places around, and I actually
arrived at a health club and

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they asked me if I wanted to
join this health club.

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And I said obviously, yes.
And they said, look, we've got a

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room here.
We know you're a good

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beautician.
We've heard about you.

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Would you like to have this
room?

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And I said, yeah, yeah.
Sure.

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And so I had this room and they
opened the door and it was a

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disabled toilet.
They took the toilet out but it

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was square so I had to move the
couch every time I wanted to go

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round the side.
Right, OK.

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But that was my first treatment
room.

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So when I was there at that was
the Holiday Inn at Telford.

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That's where it was.
And then I did really, really

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well there.
And I kept on giving the

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products to people.
And I was so busy with that

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Holiday Inn at Telford that I
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myself at home because I was too
busy.

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I got really, really busy and if
you can imagine, £13,000 is an

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OK amount of money to take every
month now.

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But then like when I was 28 and
I'm 60 now, that's a long time

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ago to be taking £13,000 a month
and that's what I was doing.

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So you can imagine the level of
input that I had to do with the

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staff and everything with two
beauty rooms, which was one a

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disabled toilet and the other
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How small?
A sun bedroom is very long and

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thin.
Anyway, basically that was it.

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So I went to another company and
I said, can can you make my

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products for me?
And me as excited as I was, I've

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said this product is really
amazing because it does this and

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it only does this because of
this ingredient.

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Like I'm telling you about the
age defiance, demethanol,

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salamol, hyaluronate, and I'm
telling you that ingredient.

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I'm telling you how young you'll
look and everything else.

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So do you know what they did?
They stole all my formulas.

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Yeah, yeah.
IP.

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Yeah, and they stole everything
and I'd paid them thousands of

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pounds.
Yeah.

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Terrible.
It was terrible.

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But it was a learning curve for
me.

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And when I did this, I saw that
they had stolen my products,

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stolen my formulas that I'd
given them freely.

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I'd been so excited I hadn't
signed.

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Anything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That happens in business.
That happens is a lot of

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stories.
I didn't think I needed to

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anyway.
So for four days I cried.

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I cried a lot.
And then I thought, do you know

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what?
I'll just make it better.

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And this ingredient, somebody
actually told me about this

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ingredient.
Most of my products I, I'll tell

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you about that, but most of my
other ingredients are different.

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But this particular ingredient,
somebody told me about it and

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he, this person said this is the
best ingredient, but nobody

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wants to use it because it's too
expensive.

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I said I'll have it, I'll have
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And it was amazing.
If it's that good.

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Now, if I hadn't had that
experience, Victoria Beckham

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wouldn't have phoned me.
She wouldn't have phoned me up

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and thanked me for my Age
Defiance moisturizer.

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So and because she did thank me,
it was in the papers.

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And obviously that's a
relationship that builds up,

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isn't it?
But what happens with that is

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that was a bad thing that
happened to me and it created a

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good thing.
Yeah, and it's and you've

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learned from it, but it's a
horrible thing to have gone

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through.
Yeah, but you can't look at the

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negatives.
You've got to look at the

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positives that you gained from
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Yeah, gosh, mindset.
That's the mindset of a

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successful woman right there.
Let's go back a little bit.

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So you're a facialist, you've
got this intimate connection

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with these people up close and
personal.

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You want to heal them.
You want to let them have this

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lovely experience.
You want them to only have the

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best on their face.
All these things you inspire to

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have this product line, you want
to give them these products.

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And then you find yourself as
the facialist for Queen Camilla

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that this, this is what the the
papers are saying.

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So you can say what you can say
and don't say what you can't

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say.
But again, that's an intimate

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relationship.
And of course, you've got to be

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extremely good and know what
you're doing and the pressure's

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on you.
You better not make any

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mistakes.
I'm sure you've got everyone

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watching you.
But yeah, it must be quite a

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quite an interesting position to
be in You're.

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Saying you're saying like, OK,
and I what I want to do is bring

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this back to not just me, but to
anything in the people that are

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watching this, anything in their
life that's negative or they're

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worried about all their sort of
thing.

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So because what I want to say is
obviously I'm I get the phone

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call from the palace, literally
a palace.

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Do you want to come and do a
treatment on then?

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Camilla Parker Bowles So so The
thing is about things that are

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are amazing.
You've got an idea of whether

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you because people can fear
success as much as they can fear

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failure.
So you have to have an

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achievement or something or a
pattern of something to make

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sure you go towards that
achievement.

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Because sometimes you can avoid
it.

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Something that's really good for
you, you can, you can actually

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like backpedal.
And it's a funny thing that

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people don't actually realise
they're doing.

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And I think it's important to
know these things because if I

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hadn't had previous experience,
which I will mention in a little

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while, I wouldn't have greeted
this with open heart and open I

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wouldn't have done.
So it's like, yeah, Camilla

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Parker Bowles going to be going
to a palace.

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Yeah.
OK, I'm in there.

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I'm doing.
That's OK.

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What do I wear?
That's fine.

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What do I wear?
What do you wear?

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What do you do?
I believe in what I'm doing,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.

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I'm OK.
There was no negatives when I

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got to the palace straight away.
I didn't have to take a couch.

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They'd got their set up there,
but somebody was using that at

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that time.
So they said maybe you're not

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going to do a treatment today
because that's busy, That area's

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busy.
And I thought, OK, it's not

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right yet.
Now that's important because if

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you go, let it go, it's not
right yet.

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Anyway, so, yeah, coming
through, you're fine.

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I love that attitude.
It's not right.

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Yeah, you've got to do that.
You've got to let it go.

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You can't hold onto.
It's like, I've got to do this.

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Well, you haven't got to do it
because give up like just, you

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know, let it go.
And I did.

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And then as I walk in, I'm like
not walking into a person that's

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so important.
And obviously they are and but I

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appreciate the things about
them.

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Yeah, yeah.
And I think, wow, this lady is

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such a nice lady.
I actually like her.

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Yeah, yeah, she's I'm going to
be doing a treatment.

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I'm going to be doing a
treatment on this lady that I

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actually AM.
The way she greeted me,

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everything.
I like her.

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So I did.
And.

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And we got on like a house on
fire.

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I did actually manage to meet
the king at that same occasion.

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How did that feel?
It's like I'm meeting the king.

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I'm meeting the king.
Yeah.

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OK.
Let it go.

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Relax, Breathe.
Breathe.

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Yeah.
And then carry on.

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Trust yourself.
And that's the thing about it,

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you know, that is it.
Yeah, trust yourself and and

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don't panic.
It's.

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Funny, but it's the panicking is
like the panicking would come

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from something that you're not
good at.

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If you if you've done your job
right or you do do your job

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right, drive a car, you don't.
Need to, yeah.

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You know where to go, A to B.
You've looked at the map.

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You know the thing.
It's sort of that sort of

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behavior.
Really.

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Yeah.
Have you put the work in?

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Did you do, you know, it's sort
of like put that particular

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amount of work in just that
small amount of work or the

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larger amount of work to learn
something.

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I've learnt things that I enjoy
doing.

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Prepare yourself, you know, put
the work in and and the rest

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follows with confidence.
It's true because yeah, yeah,

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yeah, it's true.
So you launched your skin care

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company basically from this
toilet that was a converted

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toilet and you had to that.
That was the treatment room.

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Oh, and I loved it And and don't
think, don't grate.

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I didn't think that.
Yeah, I was grateful.

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You know it's.
It was the first place.

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That's where it started.
But if you think about even

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that, even that DAFF thing,
yeah.

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When I was doing my beauty
course, which was a good beauty

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course, it was a really
efficient beauty course.

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And it taught me a lot of
things.

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And I'd got some great teachers.
But one day there was something

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they were teaching me and I was
very bored.

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And there was a blackboard that
they were teaching me something.

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They were teaching me how to
write cheque books and stuff

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like that for finance to do with
running your own business.

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But I was already there really.
And I was a little bit bored

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about it.
And I, I sort of used the, the

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blackboard and I moved these
white things around and I moved

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everything around in my head.
And I said, right, I'm going to

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go mobile beauty therapist, I'm
going to leave college, I'm

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going to get mobile beach
therapist, make my own skin

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care.
Then I'm going to go to health

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clubs.
I'm going to go to health clubs

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and sports centres because the
hotels, because those will pay

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the rent.
The rent won't be so much.

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I can get more done, employ
people, plan this, plan that

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from there.
I'm going to be here, then I'm

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going to be there.
And that was about it.

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Forgot.
Everything can I ask while

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you're doing this?
So, so you've got this vision of

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I want to be here with the
health clubs, I want to be doing

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this, this and that.
But whilst you're planning all

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of this, you're also thinking
about the finances, the money,

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how are.
Things.

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No, I didn't.
No I didn't.

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No, I just literally thought
there was the board moving it

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all around.
This is what I want to do now.

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You should think about finances
and things like that, but I

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didn't.
So that day, that day when I

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arrived at the health club,
which amazed can I say who I

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arrived at the faith at the
health club with.

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So one of my mobile customer,
I'd got really, really busy with

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the mobile and people were on
waiting lists and one of the

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people.
Customer.

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So you mean travelling to the
customer?

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Yeah, travelling to the
customer, so mobile beauty

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therapist, it's a great job to
be honest because you get to go

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into the houses and things like
that.

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It's lovely.
And one of the mobile customers

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that I'd go to that had been
waiting for about 3 months was

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Tracy, Tracy Taylor, which was
the wife of Andy Taylor out of

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Duran Duran.
OK, so she'd had to wait three

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months for me because there was
only one of me and yeah, wasn't

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many hours in the day.
Anyway, I started to become

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friends with her and she said
let's join the health club

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together.
So it was with her that I walked

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in and they said that do you
fancy having a treatment room

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here?
So I'd said yes.

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It ended up being a disabled
toilet.

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But when I was sitting there in
that disabled toilet doing the

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facials and body massage as
well, I thought that was on my

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blackboard.
Yeah, and I'm here.

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All I had to do was think about
it and I'm here so.

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Deborah, that's.
What happened then is that

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achieved itself.
I didn't have to do anything, so

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I thought about it.
It achieved itself.

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What is that?
What is that?

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Is the manifestation?
Is it the power of the mind?

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What?
It is, but, but what you've got

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to do is realize that it's
happened.

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So once you realize it can
happen, think about something,

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it arrives, think about
something, it arrives, then you

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plan, think about something,
think about all of the finances

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around it that arrives.
Think about how you feel about

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it, how you feel.
So then, then this was all it's

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happened to me.
I've thought about something.

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It happened, happened.
Because my next question was,

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how did you feel about it?
Literally.

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Yeah.
Well, this is it.

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It's like amazing, amazing.
It's fulfilling what you want

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and you were happy with the way
things.

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Were, I mean, yeah, we've got to
say I'm sitting in a sable

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toilet.
So yeah, that turned into a

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beauty room.
But you're positively.

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Well, yeah, yeah.
Because I'm earning all this

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money and then they give me
another one and then somebody

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else comes and sees, sees what I
do with that hotel.

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They give me another hotel and
I'm sitting there thinking that

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was on my blackboard.
And then I'm passing people

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these skin care and everything.
It's when you start actually

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changing your thought process,
because I think negative thought

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process only will breed
negativity.

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So please, just don't do it.
Don't even think it, don't even

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bother with it.
Just don't go there.

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00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,600
Yeah, just forget it.
Gosh, OK.

456
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,200
And with this situation, was it
still, was it on you, everything

457
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,600
on you?
Or did you stop building out a

458
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,760
team somehow or what's?
The process, of course, because

459
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,440
I trained beauty therapists and
occasionally the beauty

460
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,920
therapist would say to me,
you've given us all that your

461
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,840
knowledge.
Do you think that's a good idea?

462
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,840
You know, we can leave and take
all this knowledge.

463
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,760
I said no because I like it.
I like giving people knowledge

464
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,840
because I can gain more
knowledge.

465
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:07,120
Can they?
I don't know interesting way to.

466
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,120
Look at it, yeah.
That's how I think.

467
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,120
Yeah, not competition
whatsoever, but they're working

468
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:14,520
with you.
And what you're doing is you're

469
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,200
expanding into a business now
because it's not, well, it is

470
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,600
still a business.
It can be just you, but you're

471
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,000
now you're scaling at this
point.

472
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,880
So you're building, you're
getting more people, more.

473
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,920
Exactly.
Training everybody and you're

474
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,400
building the South.
So every single month I'd train

475
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,080
them every month, and they'd get
better and better and better.

476
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,480
So let's start off at 8:00 in
the morning till 10:00 at night.

477
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,040
Obviously, I had the experience
where those people stole my skin

478
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:40,880
care.
Yeah.

479
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,400
Terrible.
Then I sort of, I'm a little bit

480
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,120
psychic.
You are?

481
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,240
Yeah.
And so, oh, gosh, I'm psychic

482
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,640
sometimes.
So part of my treatment and my

483
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,840
healing, you know, so when I do
it, I still get a get an idea or

484
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,680
a thought process and I think
someone's pregnant.

485
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,800
So I'll go around all my staff
and I goes literally like almost

486
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,680
sniffing them.
Are you pregnant?

487
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,240
No, are you pregnant?
Somebody's pregnant, somebody's

488
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,720
pregnant.
It's like this fever and

489
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:22,160
feeling.
Anyway, I thought actually have

490
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,880
I had a period, It was me that
was pregnant and they, I mean,

491
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,000
it's funny.
It was funny.

492
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,480
It was funny that I knew
somebody was pregnant, but I

493
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:37,720
didn't know it was me.
Anyway, so had a baby and Ella

494
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,360
was born my my first child.
And I have actually got another

495
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,840
child called Christopher 18
months apart.

496
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,520
But Ella was my first born and.
How old is Ella now?

497
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,880
So she's 28 now.
And Christopher's 27, he's going

498
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,280
to be 28.
There's 18 months of art.

499
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,400
So they're very close together,
so.

500
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,360
But Ella, you do look.
Incredibly young.

501
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,840
Let me.
Just for someone who's got a 28,

502
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,560
like literally.
Oh, thank you for saying that.

503
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,560
But it was 60.
I'm 60 in Yeah, in in November

504
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,360
the 7th.
So.

505
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,120
What you can do is it's easy to
sell.

506
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,480
Your process to go proof is in
the pudding.

507
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:23,040
I use my own products.
What I value about my products

508
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,960
is if, say, if I've sent some
products to somebody or

509
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,000
somebody's bought some and they
come back to me, I can tell

510
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,400
whether they're using them and
they're not because I can see

511
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:39,200
the look on their face, the the
skin looks young, fresh.

512
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,640
Yeah, you all know.
Yeah.

513
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,800
But also I can tell that because
you're a you're, you've got this

514
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,120
facialist, it's you live this,
you live what you do in many.

515
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:50,880
Ways.
Oh, I do, yeah.

516
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,240
When we sat down, you look at
the skin, I'm like.

517
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,000
I'm not a get tall.
Your skin, your skin looks

518
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,480
really great.
Yeah.

519
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,600
It looks very, very good.
Yeah.

520
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,120
Thank you very much.
That is a compliment I'm going

521
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,480
to take for sure, for sure, for
sure.

522
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,160
So you're building a business
and you're scaling and you've

523
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,240
got these people and you're
training them and that's OK

524
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,720
because you want them to learn.
And, and that's absolutely fine

525
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,160
because you are confident in
yourself that you will read,

526
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,640
you'll learn anyway.
So you're not threatened by by

527
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,960
anything in in no negativity.
And what's the moment where you

528
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,880
thought, well, actually, I mean,
at which point did you realize

529
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,240
this is actually going to now be
a really big thing?

530
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,040
Like I'm, you know, what's that
moment for you or.

531
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,040
Was it?
There isn't a moment, No, and

532
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,760
it's not gradual.
It's not gradual.

533
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:47,960
In the back of my head I'm I'm
going to be the next Lord of but

534
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,680
alive.
That was in the back of my head.

535
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,600
There was no two ways about it
in that, you know, I knew.

536
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,320
I knew what I was going to
achieve, the people.

537
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,520
Around you, did they know like?
No, they didn't.

538
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,840
They didn't.
And did you?

539
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,400
Tell anyone, did they go?
Oh, come on.

540
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Yeah, we did.
No, we, I if you start talking

541
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,640
and telling people that you're
going to do this, I think you

542
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,880
never do, you know, it's a
procrastination, I think.

543
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,160
I think just don't say a word.
Really don't say a word.

544
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,640
It's just I know I.
Sometimes feel that if I say it,

545
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:35,080
then I, I'm held accountable and
I, I like the pressure, but then

546
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,200
it's, it's like what you said
that then it also comes with the

547
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,160
stress or you're sort of whereas
if you keep it to yourself and

548
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,040
it's your thing, you can go with
your pace and you don't feel

549
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,520
this like.
No, I come on.

550
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,320
That's, that's all different.
Yeah, that's all different.

551
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,480
So, you know, I think, I think
giving yourself goals and

552
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,760
writing those goals down could
be a good thing.

553
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,960
They're very, very much a good
thing.

554
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,720
But sitting around, I'm going to
be this, I'm going to be that.

555
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,800
Talking about it, you mean?
That's never going to.

556
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,040
Happen.
No, it's never going to happen

557
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,200
like going I'm definitely this
is it.

558
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:18,880
So if you silently write it
down, what you want and what you

559
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:24,760
want to achieve around that,
which is goal, plus how you

560
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,640
feel, how you're going to feel,
that was constantly on my mind.

561
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,200
I love goal with how you feel
and how you're going to feel.

562
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,680
I love that because you're
looking after your, you know,

563
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,120
your own mental health, you're
looking after how you're

564
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,760
responding to that success and
whether that's right for you.

565
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,080
And you've kind of got to take
yourself with, don't you on this

566
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,640
journey and.
Exactly.

567
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,720
I just, I love.
That I've never thought about it

568
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,160
in that.
Way.

569
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,480
But it's, it's really strange
because it is, it's, it's held

570
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,240
like there were so many things
that happened to me.

571
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,800
Having children takes your time
away from where your goal is,

572
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,640
because when you look at
something that you want to

573
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,679
achieve, you have to say what do
you want to lose to gain that?

574
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,560
And obviously not children's
happiness, not family happiness

575
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,560
is what you want to prepared to
lose to get your dream or your

576
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,040
goal.
So that does take a bit more

577
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,120
time.
So that's like a bit more when

578
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,320
you're single and you've got no
kids.

579
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,760
So no, dependency is different,
yeah.

580
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,320
Yeah, so you've, you've
mentioned Victoria Beckham,

581
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,639
you've you've treated these
celebrities.

582
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,120
So this is, this is who I have
on the on the list of Victoria

583
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,400
Beckham, Gwyneth Paltrow.
I mean these are all mega A list

584
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,000
celebrities.
It's funny with Gwyneth Paltrow,

585
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,600
it's like, because there was all
this what happens with me and I

586
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,360
don't know why it happens, but
it's like the bees and the bee

587
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,800
venom and the the everything
about it.

588
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Then it creates a media storm.
It created a media storm around

589
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,880
everything.
So just so people that don't

590
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,080
know, so they won't be aware.
So there's just just explain

591
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,120
this connection between the BS
and your partners.

592
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,680
Let's go, because they.
Won't know, right.

593
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:25,360
So the whole time that I was
working, I was building up my

594
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,880
client, my clients, but I was
also building up My Portfolio of

595
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,720
products.
And I reached a stage where my

596
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,760
skin and my products probably
didn't level out.

597
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:45,080
Like I'd got my Age Defiance.
I'd got wonderful hydro

598
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:50,240
cleansing milk toners and
polishes that polished little

599
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,560
lines away.
So I'd got a Polish that

600
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,040
polished lines away and it was
brilliant.

601
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:03,040
And I sold those products and I
had people like Theo Fajitas

602
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,360
offering to give me money, OK
before his Dragon Den

603
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,080
appearance.
And I went out several times in

604
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,560
several meetings.
And he he's he's really clever

605
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,720
because he knows what's good.
Yeah, even before I knew how

606
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,720
good I was.
And I won't doubt and say I am

607
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:27,520
good.
Yeah, he he.

608
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:33,600
Saw you and his he saw saw saw
me and and offered 150,000 and

609
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,680
which I needed at the time and I
didn't.

610
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,040
I didn't say yes to it, but it
was Why?

611
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,480
Didn't you say?
Yes, I didn't.

612
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,120
I asked the question to myself
and the answer came back no.

613
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,720
Literally no thanks to 150,000.
Yeah, I need to change my

614
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:53,800
packaging and I needed 150 and
he was going to give it me and

615
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,240
then it said shall I do it?
No.

616
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:02,200
That's a moment.
There's lots of moments.

617
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,760
There's such a moment.
There's so many moments like

618
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,480
that.
Goodness me, I think our bodies

619
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,800
know what's right for us.
I think our future is mapped

620
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,840
out.
Gosh.

621
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,680
I don't.
I don't doubt that my future was

622
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:22,760
mapped out well.
I had the very first guest that

623
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,520
I, that I got on the show was
Mark Wright who won The

624
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,400
Apprentice and he's now living
in Australia in a beautiful

625
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,760
house by the lake.
And he said to me, you know,

626
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,760
there's a reason why I'm here.
And the reason is because I

627
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,040
engineered my life in this way
to have it exactly like it is

628
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,400
now.
And I really love the term that

629
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,600
he engineered his life because
he made it, you know, he knew

630
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,880
exactly that he wanted to live
by a lake.

631
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,080
He wanted to have the sort of
wife, kid, the situation, this

632
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,080
kind of business and the journey
was, you know, a bit crazy to

633
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,360
get there, but he he, that's the
term that he used.

634
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,840
Do you see it in a?
Way I do, I do see it.

635
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,840
I do see it there, but there is
an extra.

636
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,880
Bit as well.
An extra bit.

637
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,760
Yeah, I.
Thought I do think so there is

638
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,360
an engineering and you can
engineer, you know you, you can

639
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,760
engineer things and you can
visualize them.

640
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,720
But also, I do think you have to
say to yourself, trust, trust in

641
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:29,680
a hire thing or something knows
what's better for you.

642
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,240
If it doesn't go that right way,
just go.

643
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:40,520
Yeah, OK, Let the direction go
where it should do and whoever's

644
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,680
pushing it.
And it's it's really good

645
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,520
because it gives you a rest.
It gives you a rest from all

646
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,960
this negativity.
There is a lot more.

647
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,640
I mean, in this podcast, I can't
tell you, but I have researched

648
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,760
why it works and I do understand
it.

649
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:03,320
So there is a lot more to it.
And the brain is a massive thing

650
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,560
that that does things for us.
But I don't know the connection

651
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,520
between.
I really do feel that I was

652
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,680
supposed to be where I am.
Wow.

653
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,840
And you feel it.
You feel it deeply.

654
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,680
You feel it deeply.
OK, let's go back to the to

655
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,880
break it down into its finest
form, which is this bee venom

656
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,040
inside the product did cause a
big stir.

657
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,360
Yeah, and you see, why is the
connection, what's going back to

658
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,080
the the, the, the, the, the
power of something?

659
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:43,480
If you think about it, beauty
therapist in treatment rooms did

660
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,960
good.
I did OK, earned quite a bit of

661
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,800
money, put all my money into
making a few products.

662
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:56,520
Sounds all very good.
Then obviously I then struggled.

663
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,800
I sold to department stores.
I thought, this is going to be

664
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,880
it, this is going to be it, this
is going to be it.

665
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:09,600
Struggle, struggle, struggle.
Money hand over fist in a

666
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,280
department store, there's a lot
of money that it costs to run.

667
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,360
Products in a department store.
There's also a lot of politics.

668
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,600
There's also a lot of
everything, but basically I'm

669
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,680
there getting phone calls from
Victoria Beckham as I'm at the

670
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,440
department store floor.
Can't beat that, really.

671
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,440
No, you can't.
You know, it's got but the

672
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:39,240
success was not was not there
totally because it's like next

673
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:42,000
month we need to make sure we
get this payment because I've

674
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,000
got to pay my staff.
Yeah, the pressures.

675
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,880
Yeah, the pressures there.
How are you?

676
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,800
Coping with the stress and the
thing I'm I have to pay the

677
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,840
bills and I have to do this now.
Because you're a creative.

678
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Person.
Just work harder, just work

679
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,520
harder and, and you know, I'd
got two kids and then I'd be at

680
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,720
home.
Luckily I'd got a mum that

681
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,360
looked after them.
I didn't have a nanny but put a

682
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,240
lot of pressure on my husband to
be honest.

683
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,400
You know, he used to take the
brunt.

684
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,080
He'd got a business.
It's a big pressure for him.

685
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,960
I appreciate him very much.
But so all of these things

686
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,360
happen.
Then we were the top selling

687
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,560
brand in this department store.
And then you get all the

688
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,280
emotions of all the people in
the department store.

689
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,320
There was Estee Lauder and some
of the other people, Clarin's,

690
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,280
Estee Lauder, Dior.
We were beating all of those in

691
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:45,600
this department store and our
products are all organic bases,

692
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,240
organic ingredients and really
great quality and work and do

693
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:53,080
their job.
They're not made in a lab.

694
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,640
They were they were made by me.
And so basically they are super

695
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:08,720
amazing and people love them.
So this one day they goes like,

696
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,360
we're not paying you this month,
so I don't know how to pay the

697
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,280
wages.
Well, we've got a cash flow

698
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,440
issue, you know, department
store.

699
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:24,440
Sorry I can't stay here if you
don't pay my wages.

700
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,960
Well, you know where you know
where the door is.

701
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,920
Literally.
So the door was there, so OK,

702
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,480
fair enough.
Brutal.

703
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,640
So then I took all the cash that
I'd got, opened a salon, took

704
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:47,480
all the staff there, and I'd got
the places and department

705
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,840
stores.
And then it's like, Oh my God,

706
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,240
what?
What happens now?

707
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,240
What's going to happen now?
And then I get the phone call

708
00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,520
from the palace.
The palace.

709
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:07,920
So basically it's like almost
there was a gap ready for the

710
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,560
palace because I hadn't got the
time to do the palace if I'd got

711
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,680
the department stores because I
was on on the counters and

712
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,760
checking everything.
So then I go off the palace

713
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,720
since so many years later, I'm
still doing the palace.

714
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:25,640
I look at them, there's worn
lines on my face.

715
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,600
I'm doing a treatment on Camilla
Parker Bowles and I look in one

716
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,320
of her beautiful mirrors.
Can't say anything about the

717
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,320
interior and the palace, not
allowed to.

718
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,480
But there was a beautiful mirror
there.

719
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,840
And I thought, my, my God, yeah.
I'm not frowning.

720
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,600
And I look like I've got I've
got lines I don't want.

721
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,920
I don't want Botox.
What can do?

722
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,240
That night I go go home and I
go, right?

723
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,160
I did this thing.
I do this thing.

724
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,000
You can laugh at me if you want.
So you take a drink.

725
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,000
Yeah.
You look at the corner of the

726
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:09,600
room and you go right, think
about what you want, drink it,

727
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,800
put the glass down.
Next morning, you pick up the

728
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:23,440
glass.
It's coffee and the answer comes

729
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,480
to you and the answer came to
me.

730
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,560
Bee venom and.
Gosh.

731
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,320
How that answer came to me?
Take a trigger.

732
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:37,000
Who knows?
Who knows how that answer came

733
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,320
to me?
Whether it was because my my

734
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,280
sister kept bees, I will never
know.

735
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,240
So whether that had gone in my
head and that had sort of

736
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,560
whether the bees themselves, you
think about something that's

737
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,000
going to plump something out,
but basically that product made

738
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,120
the skin younger.
And obviously my first customer

739
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,960
was Camilla Parker Bowles then,
and her skin was getting

740
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,640
younger.
There was other people that I

741
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,960
was doing and their skin was
getting younger using bee venom

742
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:19,280
inner cream that I'd made with
honey and I called it the Bee

743
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,280
Venom mask.
The honey was quite sticky so it

744
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,920
had to be a mask.
It's not a mask now and it's an

745
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:30,760
incredible anti ageing product.
So I'm looking at you and I'm

746
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:37,440
using my my features, but I'm
not over stimulating them.

747
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,440
So that's why, yeah, that's why
it's the bee venom.

748
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,080
So what it does is it makes you
think you've had Botox or sorry,

749
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,720
not Botox injectables basically,
yeah, yeah.

750
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:53,960
And so it softens it all and
then it sends all the helpers

751
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,720
and all the anti ageing and
makes the skin younger.

752
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,480
So but it makes it tighter
everywhere.

753
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,640
So it's really good, releases
collagen, elastin and

754
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,720
everything.
The honey heals.

755
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,640
It's fresh honey, but I put it
in butters spoonsful of honey,

756
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,880
real honey.
It's not like a honey extract or

757
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,640
anything.
It's like a spoonful of honey.

758
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,720
Wow, you know, literally and the
bee venom.

759
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,680
So this I was doing this
treatment, the honey, the

760
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,920
products were being loved by
people, the bee venom, but the

761
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,160
client's skin was getting
younger, It was getting less

762
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:39,480
aggressive, like people with
redness and their their sore

763
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,160
skin.
But like I'd put something on

764
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,400
somebody's face and they'd be
red and then all the little

765
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,560
lines would come down and then
the whole neck would go smooth

766
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,960
and you'd see it all in front of
my eyes.

767
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,840
Then it's how much bee venom to
put in.

768
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,040
Could people have an allergic
reaction?

769
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,080
So the abitoxin was born, the
patent was born, so to make sure

770
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,960
no allergic reactions.
So it's a way I develop my

771
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,840
correctness.
Me, it's very scientific, but.

772
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,960
Very, very so.
Working and it's and then the

773
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,280
the global press went crazy for
this stuff, didn't they?

774
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,280
You.
Oh gosh, it just exploded,

775
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,440
right?
It did, but it didn't.

776
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,960
So the worst time in my life,
yes, when everything in my life

777
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,760
was going completely terrible.
I'd worked too hard.

778
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,400
I probably didn't put enough
effort into my family and to my

779
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,200
husband and we had a break.
OK.

780
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,520
And it was my fault, right?
Yet.

781
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,160
By break, you broke up.
The marriage broke up.

782
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,920
The marriage broke up because
because of me, I was working too

783
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,000
hard.
I was, you know, it wasn't him,

784
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,000
it was me.
So the marriage broke up and I

785
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,800
said, you know, I was like, So
what am I doing?

786
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,400
I'm going to divorce courts and
things like that.

787
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,680
And you know, I'm not going to,
you know, I'm not going to be,

788
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,320
you know, so then I get a phone
call.

789
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,560
Worst time in my life.
And it's like you're in the

790
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,880
press, which mean I'm in the
press.

791
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,000
It was the palace, you're in the
press.

792
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,440
I never said anything.
I never told either my mum that

793
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,000
I was doing the treatments on
royalty.

794
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,560
I couldn't.
I wasn't allowed to.

795
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:33,080
Signed an NDAI wasn't allowed
to.

796
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,080
So basically it's like, yeah,
you're in the press.

797
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,840
So be careful.
Said who said?

798
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,360
I said, but we we said they
phoned up and the palace never

799
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,520
lies.
That's it.

800
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,720
That was the words they said.
If I get into trouble for saying

801
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,320
that, I'll get into trouble.
But so I'm then driving along

802
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:59,280
and I can't speak to any press.
So then Daily Mail phones up and

803
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,000
said, look, we know you're in
the press.

804
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,160
We don't want to talk about
Camilla parka bowls, but we do

805
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,720
want to talk about is why are
these bees harmed by your

806
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,360
product?
That's what they wanted to talk

807
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,360
about.
I said, well, the bees aren't

808
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,880
harmed.
Yeah, they that you're milking

809
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,600
the bees, the Stinger pay in a
glass, the stamen doesn't come

810
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,360
out.
They're fine and no one.

811
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,120
Dies in the.
Person, no one dies.

812
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,960
And not only that, I think it's
really good that bees are looked

813
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:32,200
after and every pot of cream we
give some money to some bees.

814
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,440
So basically that's it.
That one in the press with a big

815
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,840
picture of Camilla.
And your sister has bees, was

816
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,800
it?
And my sister, so there was a

817
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,200
picture of Camilla and a picture
of the bees and I hadn't said

818
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,960
anything and they took
everything in and said it all.

819
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:47,920
And so I was like oh what the
heck.

820
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:53,920
Anyway, it went all over the
world and I became a multi

821
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,880
millionaire overnight.
Oh my goodness.

822
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,800
I was like, there was phone, I
hadn't got many staff.

823
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,560
I'd got a phone in this ear, a
phone in that ear.

824
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,240
I'd got 2 phones, one to phone
out of, one to answer the call

825
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:09,600
and say sorry, can't speak to
you just yet.

826
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,400
Can I put the phone down?
Yes.

827
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,960
And this was on trains
everywhere.

828
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,680
There just wasn't enough.
Our staff were hiding.

829
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,320
I was thinking how do you scale
up at that level?

830
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,160
Like what do you even?
Do our staff were like hiding

831
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,960
piece of paper that people
wanted the product all over the

832
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,160
world.
They were hiding it under under

833
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,520
other things.
The money was flowing in.

834
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,160
It was coming through through
the website.

835
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,520
There was, you know, it was just
incredible, incredible.

836
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,960
And you know, everything that
I'd thought about was going to

837
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,840
happen was happening to me.
How did I feel?

838
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,440
Yeah, and your marriage was
breaking up and.

839
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,160
All I wanted was my marriage
back.

840
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,560
I didn't want that.
I didn't.

841
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,920
I wanted my marriage back, but
obviously I didn't get it back

842
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,920
straight away.
But I did get it back.

843
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:02,480
Eventually, yeah.
OK, so in the most crazy moment

844
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,880
when all this is kicking off,
your marriage is gone.

845
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,720
You're trying to get it back,
you're not getting it back, so

846
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:11,320
you're not feeling happy at that
point.

847
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,320
No, I, I wasn't feeling happy.
But but, but, but money was

848
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,760
flowing in.
I was flying all over the world

849
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,560
to everywhere.
And, you know, I I got off a

850
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:35,240
plane in Taiwan to the whole of
Taiwan, actually there all the

851
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,960
film crew flashing and
everything and they've got

852
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,920
heaven written on there.
The name of the brand.

853
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,240
Yeah, the name of the brand on
their forehead.

854
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,840
I've never seen that that like
they write it on their faces in

855
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,040
and it was like and there was
flowers and this that and the

856
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:57,000
other and all of this money was
coming in and it's just amazing

857
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,640
really that what you want out of
life is actually base things a

858
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,000
lot of the time.
You did that whole journey to

859
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,080
come back to this and.
How did?

860
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,680
You how did you repair this
relationship?

861
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,400
I trusted that it would work.
I kept on saying I did go to

862
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,800
counsellors and this counsellor
said to me, I said look, I'm

863
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,240
going to be back with my
husband.

864
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,040
And they said, look, there's
absolutely no way you're going

865
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,640
to be back with your husband.
He won't want you, right?

866
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,280
He just won't want you.
Lots of things won't go into it,

867
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,480
but there's no way you'll want
you anyway.

868
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,760
I said believe you me, I'm going
to be back with him.

869
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,360
OK.
Day before we were going to get

870
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,800
finally divorced, he goes.
Do you want to try again?

871
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,920
He goes yes please, and we're
back to you.

872
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,360
I'm very happy and I love my
husband very much.

873
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,040
I always did.
So good.

874
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,480
Yeah, and he's an amazing
person.

875
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,600
I I don't think I would be here
now today if it wasn't Pete.

876
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:00,760
Well, you found your way back to
each other.

877
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,600
That's a lovely love story.
I love that.

878
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,920
That worked.
I love that.

879
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,560
I mean, no one forces two people
to be together.

880
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,080
So if you want to be together,
you're going to be together.

881
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,480
And that's just magnets.
You came back to each other and

882
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:13,920
I love that.
I love that.

883
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,960
I'm going to take a look now.
It's at you, the entrepreneur,

884
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,440
you know, behind the business,
the personality type, you know

885
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,200
who you are behind this sort of,
you know, the entrepreneurial

886
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,000
side.
And I know that you've had these

887
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:33,080
personal struggles anyway, but
do you think that your

888
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:38,560
personality type fits with that
of what an expectation is of an

889
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:43,040
entrepreneur?
No, no, no, not at all.

890
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:50,880
No, because I'm too easy going.
Yeah, I am entrepreneurial as

891
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:56,160
such, but I think as ACEO of a
big company, like I, I have a

892
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:04,200
big company and I don't think my
personality necessarily suits

893
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,200
what people think that narrative
should be like.

894
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,720
We've got wheels on my on on the
chairs and I sit on the chairs

895
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:14,360
and I wheel myself round to sit
by somebody's desk.

896
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,400
I don't get up and walk.
And my daughter who works for me

897
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,040
now, she goes mum, that's not
professional.

898
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,240
I said I don't care, that's me,
you know, that is me.

899
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:27,400
It's like the staff will say, I
said you're looking a bit tired.

900
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,720
Do you think you ought to go
home now?

901
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:31,600
You're looking at you've worked
really hard this week.

902
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,480
Get off home.
My daughter goes, what do you

903
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,440
want about mom?
Right.

904
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:40,680
Look, it's really sunny outside.
Let's go home.

905
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,040
Come on, let's go home.
Everything will be here

906
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,400
tomorrow.
Let's go home.

907
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,440
I'm like that.
And I do do that.

908
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,560
And it's not very often that I'm
the big boss.

909
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,400
My daughter is now the big boss.
To be honest, she's the so I

910
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,120
don't fit the scenario.
I don't fit the mould now.

911
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,600
But you probably do.
In a way you probably do because

912
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:08,280
you need that big personality,
the vision, the energy, the the

913
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,000
risk taking you, you know, yes,
we'll be OK.

914
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,160
And when everything goes all
crazy, you just let it be.

915
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,120
Let's try again.
How you have all that?

916
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,080
Oh, you're like me.
That's exactly what I think.

917
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,520
What you just said is exactly
what I think, because I always

918
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,600
think if somebody scratches my
car or I, you know, it's going

919
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,640
to be all right, doesn't matter
something fixing.

920
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,000
But and that's the same in all,
all of the things.

921
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,200
The thing I get bothered about
is emotionally if I've probably

922
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,800
upset somebody or something like
that.

923
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,440
Yeah.
So that's the only thing.

924
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,400
Oh, right.
So what?

925
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:46,360
Why is that, do you think?
What?

926
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,400
What is that?
I just wouldn't want to upset

927
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,000
anybody.
You don't want to hurt people's

928
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,480
feelings.
So you're aware of what

929
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,360
someone's feeling and thinking
all the time.

930
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,920
Are you trying to manage their
feelings?

931
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,520
Is that?
Well, I don't know.

932
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,440
I don't know.
That's probably another story

933
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,920
for another day, I reckon.
Yeah, no, that's interesting.

934
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,880
That's interesting.
That would almost be the thing.

935
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,960
Well, that's the thing that you
wouldn't like.

936
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,880
That's your if we say fear, it's
just something that would make

937
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,240
you uncomfortable.
Yeah, it does, yeah.

938
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,240
OK, that's, you know, but it
just speaks your sensitive side,

939
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,440
you know, because you consider
yourself a healer.

940
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,280
That's what you do.
That's how you that's what

941
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,160
that's the value that you feel
you're providing to the world.

942
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,920
So this would be the opposite.
Oh, amazing.

943
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,480
Yeah, I never thought about it
like that.

944
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:35,840
Just think and do you think that
you're as an entrepreneur, this

945
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,280
business side and personality,
do you think that your success

946
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,360
has largely come from, is it
your, your resilience, your

947
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,280
ideas or is it something else,
the deeper thing, what is it?

948
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,240
Resilience is a good word.
I ideas are obviously another

949
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:57,320
word.
Ideas do create things, but I do

950
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,920
think if you've got an idea and
you don't follow it through,

951
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,000
you're never going to get
anywhere.

952
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,680
So resilience is probably
important, one of the important

953
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:12,840
factors because going back to my
husband years ago when I was

954
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:19,120
looking for a new, new salon,
we'd go to this place and it was

955
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,760
a very good salon.
And he said I think this would

956
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,960
be a good salon for you.
And I looked and I thought this

957
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,440
might be a good salon but I
can't run my multi £1,000,000

958
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,400
business empire from here so I
need another one.

959
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:38,840
And I didn't mention it to him.
And so that is resilience.

960
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:43,600
And when things don't turn out
right, think, OK, just try

961
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,080
again.
I think that's resilience.

962
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,880
And I definitely do know that if
I'd never had that, I wouldn't

963
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,200
have had anything.
OK, OK.

964
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,760
But just going back to something
that you said earlier in the

965
00:57:54,760 --> 00:58:01,840
podcast, you, you kind of knew,
didn't you, that you would be

966
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,000
where you are.
You knew you.

967
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,440
Just knew from.
Don't even know how to explain

968
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,040
it, but you just knew.
Yeah.

969
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,080
You had a vision.
Yeah.

970
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,200
Gosh, so you were just stepping
into something that you this

971
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,480
little instinct.
What is it?

972
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,280
What is that thing?
A little.

973
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,120
Belief in.
Yourself.

974
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,080
What is it?
I don't know really, but I know.

975
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:28,920
I know the things that I want,
but I also know it too and it's

976
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:34,680
like the factory we've got now.
I was happy with the factory

977
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,200
we've got.
We rented a factory.

978
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,640
It was a little bit old and I
was fine and we've got loads and

979
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:44,040
loads of money in the bank and
we were doing really well.

980
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,120
And my daughter come along, she
says I want, I don't like this

981
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,640
factory, it's old, it's not good
enough.

982
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:51,800
OK.
So I went to look for a new

983
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:58,520
factory and my husband actually
said this is a good place.

984
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,520
And it was great.
And I could see it like it's

985
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,120
shone out of the papers.
So it's sort of shown.

986
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,400
So you can feel when things are
right, so you can feel it.

987
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,680
It's almost shining out.
So I go, OK, and then I go to

988
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,880
the people and there was
nothing.

989
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,360
It was expensive.
You know, there's nothing in me

990
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,680
that thought I couldn't do it.
So I go, OK, I'll have that

991
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,120
factory.
And then I said to my daughter,

992
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,560
I said, look, you wanted the
factory, here's the keys.

993
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,800
You do it.
So it was an empty shell.

994
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,440
She had to do it and create it.
And she created it very

995
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,560
beautifully.
And you'll see my factory.

996
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,840
It's, it's really pretty, really
gorgeous.

997
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,800
And she achieved that.
So when I went into the

998
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,920
boardroom, something that I'd
thought about at 28 years old,

999
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:58,640
I'd thought I'll have a factory
or premises or offices and I'll

1000
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,000
be able to do treatments and
they'll call me out from the

1001
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,920
boardroom and there'll be
windows there.

1002
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,120
And there, of course, when I
walked into our boardroom, that

1003
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:11,000
was finished.
She'd created what I'd created

1004
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,040
in my mind.
And so this is where that is,

1005
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:20,240
you know, it's like you've got
to recognize the success of your

1006
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,440
thoughts, not just the success
of you.

1007
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,160
And you showed me that because
we did the pre podcast call and

1008
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,880
you showed me the room.
Yeah, exactly.

1009
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,480
And you do have a very nice
factory, but yeah, that that's,

1010
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,520
it just shows you, there's
something that that we can't

1011
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:38,960
explain, but you do think about
these things and it does create

1012
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,280
some sort of connection there
and it helps you or actually

1013
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,400
makes things happen for you.
Exactly.

1014
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,120
That's why negativities, that's
why you really just despise the.

1015
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,640
Negativity is not in any way
shape or form, but it's like

1016
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,160
strange how things can happen
with me.

1017
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:05,360
I mean, I've got when I I, when
I sort of sort of buy any items

1018
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:13,640
myself that and I care about the
items and I don't overbuy things

1019
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,600
because it's something in the
way I am.

1020
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:23,840
So I don't necessarily need too
much money as such as a person.

1021
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:30,320
So I'm not thinking about work
or to buy things or to own money

1022
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,880
or have money or things like
that.

1023
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:38,560
But when I create new products,
that's an easy thing to do and

1024
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,000
it's expensive to create a new
product.

1025
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,040
Of.
Course, yeah.

1026
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,440
So when I create a new product,
like I create a new product for

1027
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:50,760
a need in for people.
So one of my needs were we used

1028
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,320
to do exhibitions and people
used to get tired at the

1029
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,880
exhibitions.
They'd walk up to the counter

1030
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,760
and they'd be shattered.
And so I thought if they weren't

1031
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,880
tired, they'd talk better.
And so I made this drink with

1032
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:09,360
collagen and vitamin C to give
them a boost and they kept on

1033
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,880
coming back for the drink.
And so I'd sell to them every

1034
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,520
time and they'd come back for
the drink.

1035
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,120
And I thought if I could put
this into a dropper container,

1036
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,480
they'd absolutely love it, give
them a boost.

1037
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:27,760
And I did later on.
So and I did it just for no real

1038
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,040
apparent reason, but I'd plan to
do this.

1039
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,080
And they're little dropper
bottles, which obviously could

1040
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,440
show a picture of that little
dropper bottles.

1041
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,200
Put the dropper in and it gives
you a real big boost, but it

1042
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,200
grew people's hair.
It makes their skin look younger

1043
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,920
and gave them like no pains in
their joints and everything.

1044
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:51,360
And it works better than
anything on the market.

1045
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,640
And the reason it works better
than anything on the market, it

1046
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,640
doesn't go through the liver.
So it actually goes straight

1047
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,880
into the system.
So within a couple of days

1048
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,000
absorbed straight away and they
don't have to use and and so

1049
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,480
it's been the best selling
product of my business.

1050
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,160
Better than the bee venom now.
No way.

1051
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,680
Exactly.
So it's incredible and it's

1052
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:21,200
obviously got the royal Crest.
Yeah, because you've basically

1053
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,200
so just for the viewers that
that don't know, you've got the

1054
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:25,840
royal stamp of approval on your
product.

1055
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,160
So they are the real deal and
they've done extremely well and

1056
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,080
you've got these natural
ingredients in them and

1057
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,560
everything that you've done you
do for to resolve this need.

1058
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,000
And and if possible, if there's
a a natural alternative to

1059
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,880
wrinkling and dry skin and all
that, you're gonna, you're gonna

1060
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,480
look to find that.
Exactly.

1061
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,280
In whatever way.
But but I didn't imagine that

1062
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:55,480
the collagen drops would be so
good.

1063
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,240
Yeah, I didn't imagine that
they'd be so, so big because

1064
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:03,680
they they were just an
additional thing that could help

1065
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,560
make the skin younger.
But what I didn't realise is

1066
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:13,720
people with alopecia, people
that have a thing called a

1067
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:18,480
flusia hair where the hair drops
out because through dieting, you

1068
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,280
know, people that are on the
drugs.

1069
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,480
Yeah, Zimpic.
Zimpic and that they're losing

1070
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:29,720
their hair drastically.
People that took had injections

1071
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,920
in COVID or COVID, they lost
their hair.

1072
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,520
So there's a big need.
With the regrowth of hair nerve

1073
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:41,000
fat really.
So my hair is my hair.

1074
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,160
This is my hair.
So it's it's thick.

1075
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,720
It's not hair extensions.
You just you just have a little

1076
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,200
tiny bit every every morning and
it's amazing.

1077
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:57,920
And men with no hair, half hair.
Men, we have a we have a male

1078
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,280
audience as well watching us and
men don't they don't seem to

1079
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,480
majority care that much about
their skin or their hair you.

1080
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,360
Know, I just think men care
about their skin, but they don't

1081
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:10,480
know what they don't.
Know what to do?

1082
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,760
So what?
What very basic?

1083
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,320
What should they do?
Well, a lot of men buy their

1084
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,760
products for their wives or
their girlfriends.

1085
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,880
My Heaven skin Care products and
they use them and they look

1086
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,480
younger.
We do have a men's range of

1087
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:31,960
products and but we have men's,
women's range and particularly

1088
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,880
men's range because men's skin
and women's skin is different

1089
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,000
and have made a range for.
Men's skin, How is it different?

1090
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,360
Thicker.
It's thicker, so the molecules

1091
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:46,120
actually need to be smaller to
go through the skin tissue,

1092
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,280
because the skin's too.
So they literally need to be

1093
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,960
using a product for men.
It is a good idea.

1094
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:57,280
So I've got the, I've got them.
I've got like the age defiance

1095
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,640
works for both men and women.
The bee venom works for both men

1096
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:02,560
and women.
OK.

1097
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,600
And then the collagen jobs they
can also, if they've got hair

1098
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,440
loss, they can also take.
That yeah, but they drink it.

1099
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,320
They drink it and the hair grows
with.

1100
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,480
No, it's a shot.
Yes, you can put it in coffee.

1101
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,600
In fact, a coffee company has
asked me to do it.

1102
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:20,160
But when you put it in coffee,
the coffee gives you a boost and

1103
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,800
the collagen gives you a boost
to.

1104
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,760
Do that.
You should do that.

1105
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,160
I would have that because you
know, everyone's most people

1106
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,280
have a routine with this coffee
thing.

1107
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,440
You have your coffee in the
morning.

1108
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,560
It's just it there already.
You don't have to change you.

1109
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:37,760
Can't have milk.
If you put milk in with the

1110
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,360
drops, then that takes longer.
It takes three months.

1111
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:47,120
These sachets that are viscous
and chewy or whatever, or

1112
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,600
powder, they, they, they work
with time.

1113
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,400
They work three to six months.
I don't like things that take

1114
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,120
three to six months to work
because I can't really quantify

1115
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,880
that.
I don't even know whether that

1116
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,200
would work.
If I'm buying something, I've

1117
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,120
got to wait six months for
something to work.

1118
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,520
I'm I'm not too impressed to
lose your patience.

1119
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,280
I might lose my patience.
I might stop it.

1120
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,600
I might have spent all my money
and then get 6 months and then

1121
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,720
it would not work.
So I like things that work in a

1122
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,480
couple of days.
Slight change of course, women

1123
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,320
in business.
Do you think women in business

1124
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are treated a bit differently?
Do you have what are your views

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on that?
I know it's a big topic for many

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and we do have also female
viewers.

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They tend to be younger.
I would say are female viewers,

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but what do you do you feel that
there's a difference men and

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women in business how you're.
Right now I've achieved.

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Yes.
So I am an achiever.

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So once you've achieved or
you've got a grounding, you

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don't get men as much saying,
you know, questioning.

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But when I hadn't achieved and I
wanted to change my packaging, I

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phoned up a company.
It was Roma Glass and they

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wouldn't supply me because I was
a woman.

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So how did you know that?
My boyfriend at the time, which

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became my husband, I said, will
you phone up and ask, ask for an

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account?
And they gave it A and they

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wouldn't give me one.
And I bought such a lot from

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Roma Glass.
Oh, that's in the end.

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That's yeah.
So yes, I, I don't know, I would

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love to know from your podcast
viewers whether anybody's having

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problems now.
I'm hoping the the the men and

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women divide is not as bad as it
was in my time.

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Yeah, I mean, from my
perspective, I think it is

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getting better now, but I
definitely, I mean I originally

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started in a in AIT field in
computers and technology.

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And when I went into my first
job as a consultant, it was just

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the sea of males, you know, like
3 females in the entire office,

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everyone male.
And I worked in this field.

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So it was very dominate, male
dominated.

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But when I actually saw my
friends, my South African

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friends, they were like, well,
what are you doing now?

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You know, after school and
whatever.

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And I said, Oh well, I'm in ITI
do bidding systems

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implementations.
And then like, what do you mean?

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What's that?
You know, you have computers,

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you know, it's digital things.
And so you don't look at all

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like a person that would know
about that.

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You don't.
It's just the way, you know,

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because probably I don't know
what the expectation is for me

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to do what like what would what
would they like me to do?

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What would sort of person would
I look like for them?

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But I thought, why is why would
you say that?

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Why would it?
There was a little bit of that

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and you sort of think, well, how
would you know anything to do

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with that?
But actually, you know, I was, I

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was OK at it.
I did it.

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So that must have been all
right.

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But I've had a few things like
that.

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We sort of think you have to
fight harder.

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But I do feel like if you have
that sort of victim mentality,

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that's not going to help, you
know, when you think, oh, I'm so

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disadvantaged, poor me.
And you go around and almost

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like I was playing that card too
much.

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It's not going to do anyone any
favours.

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No, I don't.
Want them?

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So I'm not really for that.
I don't really like that crack

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on, you know, Come on.
Well, I mean, that was the one

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occasion, though it was
difficult for.

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Me, but I don't have it much.
Now I probably do think

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sometimes women, but when I was
younger I was I was a bit more

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of a bit of a looker.
Yeah, and I probably did I

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probably did sort of go come on
left.

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Yeah, You know, so I there is
two ways of looking at us.

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I'd say 100% you know, couldn't
just you know, so there there

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probably was there is force and
against isn't that. 100%, 100%.

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01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,400
I mean, even, you know, like, I
mean, I don't know, but

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everyone's got their own types.
But for sure it will help if

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you're, you know, someone's type
or whatever for them to even to

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follow on the podcast and
whatever.

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There's, there's things like
that too, which you're not going

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to say to someone.
All you know, you, you're only

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allowed to follow the podcast if
you believe every word I say and

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not, you know, you've got to be
human with us.

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And I think it's sometimes we
get a bit too obsessed with

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that.
I think, yeah, I think it, you

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know, there is, there is things
that happened before and I don't

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know whether they would happen
now.

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And when they do, I'll come back
and tell you.

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Yes, yeah, we'll have another.
We'll have another session.

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So what's next for you?
What?

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What's the next big thing?
Or is it going to come to you,

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you know, and you're not sure
or.

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I love, I've got loads and loads
of beautiful product, product

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ranges.
I mean, we've spoken about age,

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defiance, spoken about the B
that I'm making the skin younger

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and the collagen drops, they are
the three big ones.

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But I've got another one which
is which we've just launched and

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it's about light really.
You know this light's very bad

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for our skin.
Yeah, it.

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Is yeah, and it breaks down our
collagen, so I've got.

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Aging me.
It ages you, it ages you.

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So I've got a product called
prison Protection, and you put

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the moisturizer on the skin and
then it makes that light make

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you younger by releasing
peptides.

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So you sit here and just get
younger.

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Give it to me.
And if you go in sunlight, it

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makes you younger.
Awesome.

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It's got a factor 50 and
protects your skin.

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But mainly it makes the skin
make you younger.

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And that is a new thing because
I love inventing new products.

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And on that positive note that
we can age and reverse, thank

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you so much for joining us.
And I'd love, thank you.

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Thank you SO.
Very interesting.

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Thank you.
Thank you.