"They Are Not Extraterrestrial": The Interdimensional Theory of UFOs & The Grey Agenda | Philip Kinsella

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I woke up and I couldn't move.
There was someone standing at

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the end of my bed.
I heard a voice calling my name,

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but the person was already dead.
That object in the sky didn't

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move.
Like anything human.

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These aren't stories from a
horror film.

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There they experience this.
Philip Kinsella has spent

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decades investigating.
Philip is an award-winning

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psychic medium UFO researcher
and author known for work on

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consciousness, the afterlife and
non human intelligence.

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He's documented hundreds of
cases listening to people most

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of us would dismiss until the.
Pattern starts repeating.

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People across the world describe
the same shadow beings, the same

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encounters, the same questions.
Step into Philips world and

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decide for yourself what's
really going on.

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Philip, lovely to have you with
us on Beyond the Boardroom.

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This is a new one for us.
I say.

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I've never had an award-winning
UFO expert, psychic medium,

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award-winning guru on the show
before.

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It's a subject that's truly out
there.

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But it's interesting.
We're fascinated, absolutely

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fascinated with a paranormal.
We're fascinated with aliens.

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We're fascinated with all these
things that we can't explain.

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And I thought I'd get the expert
in, well, expert to talk all

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about it.
I have to thank you so much for

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inviting me on your wonderful
show and expert.

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Well, we don't know what we're
dealing with, but we certainly

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have theories.
And that's what I've been

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working on throughout my life,
trying to put parts of the

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theoretical content of what's
going on together.

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And yes, if I say, unfortunately
for me, maybe people will see

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that differently.
I had been touched by what we

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call the UFO phenomena or
elements of that and that that

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that then LED into the psychic
department.

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And I wondered, you know, here
is the guy that's studying

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ufology and had an experience
and now talks to the dead.

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And I thought my reputation,
such as it was, would go

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straight down the bottom.
OK, well, let's, let's talk

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about, let's, let's talk a bit
about your credentials.

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So you've studied Ufology There
is such a thing?

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There is indeed.
Yes, I'm connected with many

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renowned research is not just
here in England, but also the

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United States of America.
And the main emphasis of ufology

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is A and had been a taboo
subject.

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The media cartel, for instance,
actually made out that it's all

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a load of old rubbish, that we
were just chasing shadows.

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But when you have an experience
that defies logic, that defies

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reality, I had to ask myself the
question of whether or not I was

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deluded or lying or the system
that we serve was lying.

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And that's what then led me into
the investigations into this

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rather to be subject which now
is out there.

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And we know that there is
something.

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We don't know what it is.
We don't know where the force

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comes from, but we know that
it's out there.

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And and my modus operandi is to
find out what that is and also

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what we are as a human species.
OK, so many people are

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fascinated in the whole subject
of of the unknown, you know, so

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everything from aliens and all
the Star Wars movies that have

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been produced about that aliens
to, you know, strange

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unexplained things happening
like a sixth sense to, to, to

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ghosts and everything like that.
So, but you can study this

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stuff, you can study it so, so
can you, can you explain to us

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what sort of qualifications you
have to be placed in this

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position of being the right
person to investigate all this

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paranormal activity and.
Yeah, yeah, sure.

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After 35 years of experiences
that truly changed my world, my

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investigated UFOs and psychic
phenomena, this LED first of all

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with regards to the awards.
I was awarded the Portsmouth

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Award from Mediumship of the
Year in 2008 and I was astounded

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by that.
I was like, wow, I've been

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awarded for the work that I'm
doing.

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And that was all set by judges
and very harshly too.

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Not just like most people think,
oh, clairvoyance, like bringing

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your grandma through and she
loved cooking and cleaning.

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No, they want evidence based
mediumship.

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So I got the award in 2008 and
then I was awarded for my UFO

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research Dedication to the Truth
in 2022.

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So this one was an accumulation
of theoretical models and

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research that I've been working
on to find out what it is that

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we're dealing with in terms of
UFOs and psychic phenomena, life

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after death, consciousness, the
great beyond those areas that

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people find fascinating.
And just recently on the 25th of

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August of this year, I was also
presented with the London and

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Southeast Prestige Award, which
I collected from London.

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And that's to do with my
clairvoyance of the year.

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So I've, I've had two awards for
my clairvoyance and one for my

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UFO research.
And the UFO research was for

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dedication to the truth of
ufology.

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So that's where my awards were.
And ufology is something that

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you can actually study and
learn.

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Oh yes, absolutely.
Case histories and also working

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with other prominent
researchers.

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This LED on to be writing some
extraordinary books, the first

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of which was Reaching for the
Divine, which of all things I

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was involved with UFO research
to begin with.

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But it was my psychic book
Reaching for the Divine.

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That was the first was taken by
a publisher like many years ago.

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And then that led on to another
UFO book called Believe,

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bridging the gap between the
psychic and UFO phenomena

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because I believe that there
were elements to be made there.

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And then I got involved with
Rendlesham, the UFO case in

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Rendlesham here in England, very
famous for the 1980 event with

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Colonel Charles Holt, who I've
met.

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And that led to a book called
Sky Crash Throughout Time.

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And subsequent to that there
were a number of other UFO books

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and psychic books that followed
after that.

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So it's interesting.
I, I find it fascinating.

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So you're an expert in the
field, lots of books, you've

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studied it.
You're in a network of all these

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UFO chases.
I would call them, in a way,

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chases.
I mean, someone's got to do it.

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You've got something unexplained
in the sky.

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Someone's got to figure it out.
Yes.

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Well, if someone tells you
certainly the system that we

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serve, that there are no such
things as UFOs, now, Uaps, it's

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stranger that they change the
acronym for some Unidentified

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Aerial Phenomena, which brings
that more closer to Earthbound

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than UFO Unidentified Flying
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OK, so you know, I'm like one of
these Ghostbusters and UFO

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chasers.
It's like if someone tells me

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that they don't exist, I've got
to find out whether or not they

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do or not.
You're a real life Ghostbuster,

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real life UFO chaser.
I love it.

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I have literally never had
Someone Like You in this in this

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space for beyond the boardroom.
It's fascinating.

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It's fascinating.
OK, let's let's let's go back a

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little bit.
What was your first experience

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with them that made you realize
there's something beyond the

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physical world that we see?
What happened?

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Yes, absolutely.
Well, I have an identical twin

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brother called Ronald.
He's an artist and author as

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well.
And we have been staying with

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our maternal grandmother in
Tatchbrook, Feltham, Middlesex.

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And we used to spend all the
time in a big house and one

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summer's afternoon going on to
evening, we're out the backyard

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back garden and in broad
daylight, there was a silver orb

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about the size of a football
that came through the broad

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daylight and towards where we
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And this has been documented and
recorded.

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And it hung over our
grandmother's head about where

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the 2nd floor windows were
because their house was three

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stories high.
And we were shocked as twins

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were like, you know, if anyone
has said, oh, that's the UFO, in

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those days, you didn't consider
UFO would be that small, the

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size of a football.
It was truly extraordinary.

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It made no sound.
There was no communication.

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It just hung there.
And when we'd asked our

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grandmother what that was, she
said, oh, look, the fairies have

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come to take a closer look at
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But our grandmother was psychic.
And I think that what she was

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doing was trying to allay our
fears to a greater reality.

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She didn't seem flinched.
She didn't seem fazed by it.

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And that's always, that's always
confused both my brother and I.

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You know, you know what I'm
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This is going to sound really
freaky.

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My husband and his brother saw a
similar silver thing which they

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at the time explained as a
statue head when they were in

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the room and it sort of flew
outside and they both saw it and

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to this day they talk about it
as they remember that thing we

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saw.
Yes.

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That this is weird.
Yeah.

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And it wasn't.
And it's not bore lightning

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because if you if you go back,
it's possible that what we were

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witnessing was something that
was reported back in 1945 during

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the war.
The Foo Fighters which were were

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witnessed by Allied aircraft
that would accompany these bores

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of light that were silver and
then would glow in dark would

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would follow allied aircraft.
So we're not sure maybe there's

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some kind of reconnaissance
objects.

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We're not sure we don't know.
But that was the beginning of

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the levels of high strangeness
for me and my brother.

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And I was like, that is really
weird.

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That's.
Weird.

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It made an impact on you and you
wanted to investigate.

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Yeah.
So you weren't always open to

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this, were you?
It was that moment that kind of

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triggered something in your
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Yeah.
I mean, you have to be careful

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because, you know, I was
interested in space Doctor Who

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and all that type of thing.
And and what happens later is

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that the media will say, oh,
it's because they're interested

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in science fiction.
And my brother and I have

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written children's novels and a
science fiction novel as well,

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endorsed by David Saperstein,
who's the author of Cocoon.

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They made that into a film in
1985, a Hollywood smash hit

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movie.
So you can't win.

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But when you were touched by the
singularity, it changes you.

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There's something deep inside
that alters and you're like,

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well, hang on a minute, can I
operate in this world?

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And we've been told this world
functions on a normal level of

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material.
You know, that's how it is, the

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materiality.
And it's like, no, there's these

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things called UFOs.
And at that moment I wanted to

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find out what they were.
And I believe also it's possible

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that when anyone is touched by
the singularity, the wonderment,

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if that's want of a better word,
it's like a hitchhiker effect.

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And it seems to connect with
you.

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You're changed.
It's the same, if I may just say

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here, with regards to how you
feel about something called

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someone.
It changes your perception of

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your reality.
So this phenomena altered my

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reality and where I was, you
know, operating on a level where

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everything was fine and cool and
I got on with my life.

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And you're presented with that
when you're a kid, like

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something from Doctor Who.
And it was real and that was it.

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The.
Turning point.

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OK, all right.
But then you start publicly

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speaking about these phenomena.
You know, you speak about

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aliens, you speak about all the
things.

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What does that do to your
credibility?

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How do people treat you
seriously?

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Do they not treat you seriously?
I mean, if someone says, oh,

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there's an alien, you know,
there was an alien flying about

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my head with my husband, You
know, when he says I saw you

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something, yes, you were a
child.

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You know, you probably saw, you
know, maybe you interpreted

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something.
But you're right.

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He has been forever affected
because he adores the whole

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subject of aliens and he was
obsessed with sci-fi movies and

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will never stop watching them.
It's as if it's a, it's a, I

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don't know how to explain it,
but how do people, how do you

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find people treat you when you
speak about these subjects?

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How?
To begin with, it was very

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difficult.
The highlight of the UFO

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research occurred in 1989.
We lived in the village of

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Mastermore Tame, which was a
small village, and I had what

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most people would commonly refer
to as an alien abduction.

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OK, but it happened on a
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Most people think that when
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they come through with their
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away and like.
In the movies.

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Yes, but there were two parts to
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interesting.
One was physical and one was non

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physical.
One part of it was where I was

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being taken through solid
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I'm not going to go into that
because it's a very long winded

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area and it has also been
documented with regards to that

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case.
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investigating.
What are we dealing with?

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We hear so much about the Grays,
don't we?

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The small beings with the big
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I was wondering, well, what are
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Where do they come from?
Why do they appear so different

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from us?
And why do the system tell us

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that they don't exist?
And yet more and more people are

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coming forward.
I had to also be very careful.

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You have to be very careful
because when you're dealing with

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subject matters of not just UFO
research, but also alien

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abductions, you have to know
that you're dealing with someone

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that has clarity of mind.
And I'm not stating the obvious

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like saying, oh, I claim to have
had this happen to me, but some

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people, you know, are like, you
know, they're away with the

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fairies.
But my research has, has led me

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into understanding on a deeper
level of what we may be dealing

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with with regards to abductions
and grace.

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And, and my experience back in
1989 opened a whole new area not

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just within UFO research, but
also to do with the human psyche

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and what we were.
You see, we tend to categorize

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things and put them in boxes.
Life after death here, UFOs

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there, aliens there, cryptids
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And I'm like, well, when you
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you're thinking, well, where are
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I mean, I've, I've got a joke
here.

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I, I do say with other
researchers, you tell me where

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they're all hanging out in the
pub and I'll go down and I'll

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have a chat with them, find out
what the problem is.

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But the phenomena is very clever
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the shadows.
And it's, it's almost when it

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comes in, it's, it's like, you
know, we're not able to have any

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form of tangible evidence other
than photographic and

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occasionally.
OK, so when when you say the

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alien abduction thing, I have to
struggle with that a little bit

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because I think really alien
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another level you'd be taken
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But then at the same time, when
you're talking about this and

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you think about things in the
shadows and things that you

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don't see, just because you
don't see them doesn't mean

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they're not there.
And if you think about some of

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the most dangerous things in the
world that we encounter virus,

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well, you don't definitely don't
see them, do you?

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Unless you've got a very, very
special end so.

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Yes, yeah.
I have to say also that it's

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interesting.
I think we're probably dealing

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with something that operates on
varied levels of dimensional

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reality.
You see, back in the 1960s and

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70s, if anyone had mentioned to
you about UFOs being

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interdimensional in nature, oh,
no, they couldn't accept that if

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they believed in it.
Most people thought that it

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would be a structured craft
coming from another planet.

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Now, through our understanding
of space, it tells us a

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different story.
So these objects exhibit the way

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that they come across.
They exhibit characteristics of

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instrumental activity, which
means they come into our space

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very quickly and go out and this
then and this.

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This is interesting because
where we are primarily as human

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beings, we're physical on a
physical planet, and these

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beings come in perhaps on a from
a higher level of dimensional

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awareness.
I would say it's rather like

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your mobile phone.
You've got the hardware, but

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that's not the phone.
The phone is the signal.

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You can't see it.
You don't know what information

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is in it until it hits the
translator and then you have

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your information.
We as human beings work in the

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same way, obviously on a higher
level where people say, well,

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you know, when you're dead,
you're dead, OK, that's fine if

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you believe that.
But we understand also that

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there's an area of conscious
survival.

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And this also tells us that not
just survival beyond this

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physical realm of reality,
people call it heaven.

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I'm not calling it that, but
this opens up a whole can of

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worms with those other
interdimensional levels of

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reality.
OK, we're going to get into

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those.
Yeah, sure.

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Yeah.
Have you ever doubted your own

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experiences?
Have you ever questioned them?

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Yes, absolutely.
To begin with, not in the sense

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of did I wonder if that really
happened to me.

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Yes, it did happen to me.
Doubted because of the ridicule

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that I had to go through.
I have never once asked to be

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interviewed anywhere when I had
the initial alien abduction in

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1989.
Interestingly, my brother had

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1-7 years before or I did and
the only one that we each

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remember, there may have been
other ones and we're 7 minutes

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apart.
I'm not saying that because they

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were seven years apart.
That's got anything to do with

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being identical twins.
His experience was very

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different from mine.
But yes, I did because the

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system that we serve within the
media cartel, when you're being

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honest and straightforward and
saying to people, look, this is

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what happened to me, I will
report exactly how it happened.

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What happened.
There was an embarrassing part

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to that as well too within the
experience.

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And sure, you know, television
got in touch and said, come on

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board.
You know, we, we've got a panel

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of of people that want to, you
know, talk to you and find out

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what's happened.
And then when you go on the

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programs, I found that I was
being slated.

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I mean, it was just like a
circus.

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I mean, attitudes have changed
now because our understanding of

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the phenomena has changed.
We're talking about back in the

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90s and the way that we as human
beings see our reality does go

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through constant changes.
And I think within ufology, the

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study of UFOs, the same applies
there.

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So as researchers, our
understanding has changed from

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the nuts and bolts syndrome that
we thought back in the 1960s and

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70s.
And now look at us now.

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We're looking about quantum
mechanics, quantum modelling,

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interdimensional levels of
reality far different from back

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back then.
But so, yes, I, I did, I did

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doubt sometimes, you know,
people were saying you're lying,

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you've made it all up.
It's and you're like, well, no,

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I'm not lying.
I'm not making it all up.

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And because she was subjugated,
because she were trodden down by

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people who are convincing you of
their reality.

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In the end I thought, no, I'm
sorry, I can't deal with that.

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Yeah.
OK.

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So did that lead you to want to
investigate more?

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Oh yes.
Yes.

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So it actually motivated.
You, yeah, especially with the

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the whole idea of not just UFOs
because when you're dealing with

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UFO research, people will say,
well, is it the the crafts that

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you're studying or is it also
the aliens?

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Well, to be honest with you, we
don't know who or what is

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piloting these crafts, but we
have a lot of reports of

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so-called Greys and other
beings.

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But it was interesting for me to
primarily go into the Greys

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because they offered more in
terms of patterns, in terms of

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people having experiences,
rather like people who've had a

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near death experience.
And when they come back, there

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are patterns that connect.
There are patterns.

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Absolutely.
So that's what we're looking

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for.
Yeah.

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And if you think about how vast
you know our, our universe is

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and you think about how, how it
carries on and on and on, and

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there's infinite, I mean, how
many how, how, when do you even

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draw the line?
How many planets are there in

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total?
Absolutely.

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What are the chances of there
being other humans exactly like

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us?
Maybe just slightly different or

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some other things?
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Somewhere, yes, the beginning
and and you know it's.

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Crazy to think like.
There have been a few occasions

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where my mind has been stretched
to the point where I'm thinking

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I need to hold on to this.
And when people say I don't

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believe, I'm like, that's
absolutely fine.

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But first of all, and it's a
good, wonderful question, look

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out there, what is that?
What are we contained in, you

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know, within the gravitational
forces that holding everything

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together?
Nope, can't sit, don't want to

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look at it.
But there's either an edge or

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Infinity.
Even if it does look round, as

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most cosmologists think, with
the universe is like a doughnut

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shape.
There has to be some kind of

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border because that's how we see
things.

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But there must be sorry.
There must be something beyond

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the beyond.
Oh yes, absolutely.

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And beyond that and someone or
something, that's the whole

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concept of God here.
You get rid.

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Someone must have orchestrated
this.

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Someone must have created this.
Someone must.

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It can't just be on its own.
There must have been a it's all

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when you stop thinking like
that, your mind just can never

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stop because there's no answer
and it will carry on.

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But religion does find also.
This is the the the thing about,

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you know, this whole subjects of
alien and the paranormal, then

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you've also got religion, you
know, which says, you know, it

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has its things that it says.
And yeah, I think it's.

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Quite difficult.
Science and religion.

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Always arguing yes well religion
is good if it doesn't control

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and harm people, but religion
stagnates any form of

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development or moving forward
their premises based purely on

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faith.
Which is fine but it doesn't get

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you anywhere.
They will say to you you're

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dealing with the devil or the
UFOs and aliens are all devils.

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And when it comes to science,
science is progressively

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changing.
It's always altering its

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perspective of reality.
So you have those two at log

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heads with one another.
And I believe there's a fusion

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of the two.
And certainly I think that the

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way that we're seeing this in
terms of not just aliens and

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UFOs, but what the heck are we,
where did we come from?

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And when I got involved with UFO
research, this opened up a can

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of worms.
It wasn't just old.

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There's the man that's looking
at flying saucers or this opened

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up a can of worms for me.
It really did on a deeper,

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personal level of what we were,
where did we come from?

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And you have two versions, one
religious and one scientific.

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Both of them didn't make any
sense to me.

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So what's your version?
Where, where, where?

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Who are we then?
It's possible, and most of the,

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and this is quite controversial,
but most of the religious books

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that we have today that most
people hold the holy books are

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translations from ancient
codices.

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And a lot of those codices have
and are still being discovered.

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Most of those would be in 1945
in Egypt.

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And one of those was the Nag
Hamadi.

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And of course, texts which
described more in terms of our

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Genesis than what the original
Hebrew Bible tells us.

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So I don't think we're going to
know.

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But in those codices, it tells
us that they were gods, not a

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God.
They, they talk primarily of a

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force of a God force that we're
all part of.

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And that God force created
aeons, angels that separated.

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And one of those aeons was a
goddess called Sophia who

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descended even further and
created Masha.

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And she in turn created Yalda
Booth, which is Satan.

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And people have this idea of
Satan with a man in a red suit

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walking around with a fork.
No, she created the archons.

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And back in the codices it tells
you something that most people

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don't want to look at, that the
gods had created us through

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genetic engineering.
And this is what And what are we

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doing today?
So the Adama and Eve from my

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understanding, was a
remodification of part alien,

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part part hominid, Earth and sky
being.

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00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,360
And they were allowed to
reproduce.

455
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,600
So if you was to say to some,
and look, is there any

456
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,560
possibility to science and
religion, both of you, that it's

457
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,000
that that we had come from what
we would call extraterrestrials

458
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,800
that were probably like us?
Oh no, no, we can't have that.

459
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,640
So which version are we having?
Darwin's theory that is very,

460
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,280
very loosely based on
information and genetics that

461
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,120
cannot and not easily be
replicated through life.

462
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,560
And then, of course, the
religious interpretation where

463
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,160
Adam and Eve just suddenly
appeared.

464
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,880
No, if you're fine with me, I've
got to dig really deep.

465
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,240
And it's like, that is not
satisfactory.

466
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,960
There's got to be an explanation
about who and what we are.

467
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,480
And this opened up more in terms
of the spirit, in terms of the

468
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,920
story from the ancient codices
and what's happening today.

469
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,840
So the Archons.
And it is known within Hebrew

470
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,920
texts about the fallen angels
that mated with beautiful

471
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,160
females and then created the
Nephilim, the giants of horrid

472
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,960
creatures.
And I wondered whether or not

473
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,720
this war had been started from
those fallen gods, because

474
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,600
Sophia that God has had them in
down the human with the spirit

475
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,120
are not her first creation, the
Archons.

476
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,080
So this theme, what we can't
prove this what can be proven,

477
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,400
But it just seems strange that
science and religion will note

478
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,640
you're a heretic.
We believe this in science.

479
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,200
It's like, no.
And it's like, but we haven't

480
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,960
made any headway.
For goodness sake, we don't even

481
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,680
know our true origins where we
came from.

482
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,840
The Aborigines, they have their
stories.

483
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,600
They probably know a lot more
than we do.

484
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,480
The Egyptians themselves also
were trying to get off the

485
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,160
planet.
They knew that the pyramids, the

486
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,120
Great Pyramid of Cheops was a
gateway to the star system,

487
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:25,920
Orion, and the system that we
serve today.

488
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,000
It just feels like, well, what's
going on and why are we no

489
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,120
nearer and truly establishing
about what we our and our

490
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,320
genesis and of those in the
past?

491
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,600
Just see what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, I do.

492
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,840
And I, I definitely agree that
the, you know, the Egyptians

493
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,240
were fascinated.
With.

494
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,920
Stars and astrology, they were
completely obsessed with it and

495
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,280
and and we are too.
You know, we, we find this all

496
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,280
interesting and, and there will
be a lot of us that have, you

497
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,040
know, have a religion and also
believe in science, you know,

498
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,200
and, and also probably on some
level believe that there's

499
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,680
possibly something out there.
You know, a lot of a lot of just

500
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,320
everyday people will probably
have that spectrum of, of

501
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,280
thinking.
Absolutely.

502
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,320
And I have great respect for
anyone who has their structured

503
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,920
belief system.
That is very, very important.

504
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:24,360
It's when people become
destructive or controlling.

505
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,320
I mean, I've been told that I'm
a Satanist.

506
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,880
I've been told by one child that
was with the Christian Church

507
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,160
that I am a servant of Satan.
I mean, I can deal with that.

508
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,640
But what I am, I hopefully is a
very practical individual that

509
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,800
is peeling away the myth and
trying to find the facts of

510
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,120
what's going on.
It is absolutely fascinating to

511
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:47,480
know there is so much more to
what we represent.

512
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,200
And I'll just say here, I know
without skipping forward here

513
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,040
you have people in this life
that you love.

514
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,920
And people say they don't
believe, OK.

515
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:01,000
And the moment that you lose
someone that you love, you come

516
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,800
back and you tell me there's
nothing because there is a

517
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,960
deeper part within us.
Oh, I'm strong.

518
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,040
I miss on that.
And it's like, yeah, well, you

519
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,880
know, I wouldn't wish that upon
anyone.

520
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,480
But you wait until you lose
someone.

521
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,440
And then you ask the question,
where have they gone?

522
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,200
Is this all just waste?
Are we all just an accident?

523
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,480
Chaos.
No, no way.

524
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,280
I definitely.
There's definitely more to it.

525
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,560
Oh, absolutely.
Of course, you know, so I, I do,

526
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,600
I am religious, I'm Roman
Catholic and my parents would

527
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,680
probably think, what are you
doing?

528
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,880
But you know, it's interesting
to hear other perspectives And

529
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,760
to, you know, and, and the whole
idea was I was saying the

530
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,280
universe, the, the vastness of,
of everything.

531
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,160
How could there not be other
things in other places?

532
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,080
I just that I can't.
The logic for me is just.

533
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,200
Yes.
Well, when you look at the Earth

534
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,560
and where it sits and we're told
no, we're the only intelligent

535
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,200
species, and you think, hang on
just a minute, just a moment.

536
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,360
We have three objects that
slung, slung through to our

537
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,720
system already.
One of the three I Atlas.

538
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,240
And you know, already we're
getting a blank screen on that.

539
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,840
It's like the system doesn't
want us to know there's anything

540
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,240
out there.
OK, there is something else to

541
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,640
to discuss when you were talking
about the things that we can't

542
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,840
see, you know, so, so the the
way that these aliens or

543
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,960
extraterrestrials, whatever
communicate in in the space, you

544
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,160
know, in that and, and also
viruses, the way that they

545
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,280
communicate with each other.
You know, we know in COVID that

546
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,040
when there were, you know,
vaccines against certain viruses

547
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,040
once far away that haven't had
the vaccine would start to mold

548
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,400
and change.
Almost reading that there's been

549
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,480
a change here and they're not
even there, but they're kind of

550
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,720
talking.
That's weird.

551
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,800
And and also, I have to say that
I've had so many, many, many

552
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,000
times where I have this
intuition in a sense, I think of

553
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,400
someone, it's a client, it's a
person.

554
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,560
They phoned me, they messaged me
minutes later.

555
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,800
And that just happens.
Yeah, what's that?

556
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,920
Well, if you look at
manifestation programs, it's

557
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,760
trying to, you know, I want this
and I want that and oh, I've

558
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,760
thought of someone and they've
turned up or they've rung or

559
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,840
I've been, I've, you know, I've
been thinking about this and

560
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,880
it's happened.
So I believe that the human

561
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,880
consciousness, it's been
conditioned, it's been

562
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,800
programmed since birth.
And this is another topic here

563
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,960
where the system, it's kind of
like program the general public

564
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,240
to believe that we are just
self-serving automatons to serve

565
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,800
the system and not ourselves or
utilize a greater part of mind

566
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,360
as we call it, because the brain
is just maybe the transmitter

567
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,120
and receiver of consciousness.
While the local mobile phone

568
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,160
always make people laugh and say
you've got all these apps on

569
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,200
your phone and a few of them and
some people like to hear a few

570
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,520
and some people like to use a
lot of them.

571
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,200
But with here, this is where the
real magic begins.

572
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,320
This is what we are and within
certain religious ideologies

573
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,160
going back in the past, anyone
that dared to use the mind

574
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,040
outside the box was drowned or
burnt.

575
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,400
It was an example to the state,
to the system to stay and check

576
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,680
it in line.
But who's to say that those at

577
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,000
the top aren't actually using
their minds to create their own

578
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,240
magic and away from the public?
And this is another area of

579
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,680
research that we've been looking
into.

580
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,440
So we're all gods and goddesses.
We are all God.

581
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,480
We're all part of that.
Heaven is within, not without.

582
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,960
Anything without is unattainable
because it has to come from

583
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,680
within.
So we are a vessel of that pure

584
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920
divinity.
We are part of the spark of the

585
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,120
God consciousness or the goddess
consciousness.

586
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,160
What does it have to be a man?
Because God, I believe is

587
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,400
androgynous.
And we're maybe all part of that

588
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,720
connection on some level.
And we're all connected, every

589
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,720
single one of us, a beautiful
energy beings.

590
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,520
We, we have the potential for so
much.

591
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,920
But my argument is I do joke and
they say, why on earth will we

592
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,160
come down here and then have our
minds wiped and then go through

593
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,240
this experience?
And I've got some theories about

594
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,720
that.
It's possible that, you know,

595
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,320
something's occurring from the
one that we've separated from

596
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,080
temporarily and going through an
experience here and it's almost

597
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,800
like, you know, not a judging,
but kind of like a selection

598
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,480
process.
I think while we're here on this

599
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,000
Earth, I think Earth was a
wonderful project.

600
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,520
They called it Eden.
And it's got a big, big tongue.

601
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Let's put it that way.
Things haven't gone quite the

602
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,120
way that it was meant to go,
let's put it that way.

603
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,200
Because I believe that the
system could have been hijacked

604
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,080
by another altogether darker
force.

605
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,480
And, you know, people get
serious, but it's true.

606
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,440
If you go back into the past,
it's always been about good and

607
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,720
evil, hasn't it?
It's always been about, you

608
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,480
know, those evil beings as they
call them, you know, So I wonder

609
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,440
whether or not myself
personally, that that force is

610
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,080
still in operations behind the
scenes that we haven't yet seen

611
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,680
and that that's another story
entirely.

612
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,720
I.
Don't want to think of myself as

613
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,360
an experiment, but yes, you
know, it's yeah, Who knows?

614
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,720
Who knows?
With the human experiment, I

615
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,320
think perhaps from the divine
that it was a new way of seeing

616
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,120
how consciousness could separate
from the one and have its own

617
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,200
individuality, his own
expression of creativity within

618
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,760
this life as human beings.
And if you think about the, our

619
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,200
Genesis, the, the, the way that
the whole thing is incredible.

620
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,320
It's absolutely, you can't even
you'd never be able to really

621
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,320
replicate that, you know, unless
you're a God or goddess.

622
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,400
But something I think
something's gone wrong and not

623
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,120
from want of the God or the
goddess, the power.

624
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,040
I think another force has kind
of like come in and try to alter

625
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,200
or change that.
And in our life today, in this

626
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,680
world today, you can see what's
happening.

627
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,240
Transhumanism or, you know,
wanting to try and make us more

628
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,000
robotic in nature and anything
to do with God, anything to do

629
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,000
with goodness, with the spirit.
It's, it's almost as if the

630
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,199
system wants that pushed out.
And I and I, no, no, because

631
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,159
we're all part of the divine.
So I've always believed there's

632
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:24,880
a war going on and maybe this
could account for a lot of what

633
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,440
we're seeing in terms of the
paranormal.

634
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,840
That's not something new that's
been with us here for a very,

635
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,679
very long time.
I.

636
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,679
Mean, when I hear you talk, it's
almost like it.

637
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,800
It sounds like religion in a
way, but you're saying there's a

638
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,760
war and there's good and evil
and there's this higher force

639
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,199
and there's our innate goodness
and there's someone trying to

640
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,320
take that away.
So there's a lot of if, if, if

641
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,960
someone didn't know that you
were, you know, ufologist and

642
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,400
you've done all this research on
all these paranormal things and

643
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,320
aliens and everything, you, you
would almost sound like what

644
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,320
you're saying the similar thing.
It's just that you're looking at

645
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,800
it from a different a different
angle.

646
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,000
Do you mind going back and
telling us what happened to you

647
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,680
with alien abduction, or is that
not something you want to

648
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,880
revisit?
Not really.

649
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,880
It was a painful experience, and
one that shattered my concept of

650
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,480
reality, what I believed was
reality.

651
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,600
There was some Greys that were
prevalent, and there were three

652
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,960
other beings.
One of them, one of the greys,

653
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,040
was disturbingly familiar to me,
almost plastic.

654
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,280
It's strange, but another
research had made connections

655
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,960
with what happened that night
within that abduction phenomena.

656
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,440
And I don't wish to sound vague,
but this is where I put myself

657
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,800
in a very awkward position back
in 1989 because I didn't

658
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,600
understand it.
I thought that alien interaction

659
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,640
was wonderful and superb.
And I was telling, telling, you

660
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,320
know, people that know it was
anything but.

661
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,680
And they were telling me, no,
you're deluded.

662
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,240
You know, it's because you're a
negative person that you had

663
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,560
this experience and people were
telling me what they were, where

664
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,680
they come from, and even their
names of high command.

665
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:10,080
I lost the plot.
All I wanted was the truth.

666
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,720
One part of the experience
occurred on a physical level.

667
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,640
The abduction itself happened
where I found myself being taken

668
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,400
through the glass of our doors
to our house.

669
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,720
I was being pulled through and
I'm thinking, how is that

670
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:28,320
possible?
How are they able to get the the

671
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,040
physical part of me through
matter?

672
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,720
And this then LED into a theory
that I was credited with back in

673
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:40,080
1996 because I spent so many
years investigating the UFO

674
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,920
abduction phenomena.
And if people are talking about

675
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,160
it on the physical level
integration, how can that be?

676
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,000
When I was going through wars
and doors and I was credited

677
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000
with a revolutionary speculation
with regards to that, which was

678
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,160
called Spirits in a Material
World, which dealt with the

679
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,680
Greys.
And I wondered about them.

680
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,720
You've seen about why they're
interested in humans.

681
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,880
Why was everything secreted?
Why didn't they just come

682
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,040
forward and say, hey, humans,
we're here, we're here to help

683
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,400
you.
No, they're always secreted in

684
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,440
the shadows, like ghosts in the
night, you know?

685
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Do they want to help us?
I don't know.

686
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,160
I don't feel.
I don't feel.

687
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,240
So no are.
They are they bad?

688
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,960
Well, are we bad?
Are we good?

689
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,000
As human beings?
You get the good, the bad and

690
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,840
the ugly.
I'm not so certain, but my idea

691
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,280
about them was interesting.
They're interested in.

692
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,880
So we're here within your
apology about hybridization.

693
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,000
OK, just hear me out here.
Hybridization, and I didn't see

694
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,040
any of that when I had my
experience, but where they're

695
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,000
creating a cross be between them
and a human, which creates a

696
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,480
hybrid.
And I thought, well, why would a

697
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,520
species that cannot reproduce be
interested in human

698
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,000
reproduction?
Certainly in hybridization it

699
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,640
didn't make any sense.
And I thought, well, if you look

700
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,080
at the Grays, they're clones
aren't well, they appear to be

701
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,000
clones.
We can't prove that's the case.

702
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,960
They seem to be some kind of
being that's self replicated

703
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560
that has no understanding of
time, of space, of smell, of

704
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,440
color, of taste.
What do they want if they lost

705
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,520
that spark of their divinity?
Are they trying to find it

706
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,000
through us?
That was my main thesis back in

707
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,880
1996.
And again, very cleverly when

708
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,080
you said, Alexandra, about the
bringing these parts in that I

709
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,840
have.
Yes, very much so, because I

710
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,200
think there's more to this in
terms of what we're dealing with

711
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,240
here.
And just to finish off here, I

712
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:38,840
thought, well, you know, we hear
about the the astral planes, the

713
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,600
lower planes.
Is it possible that those that

714
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,400
have descended into those lower
planes are trying to find a way

715
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,320
in Bridget Gap, a Bridget gap
between them and our world?

716
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,840
It was.
It was possible to assume that,

717
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,720
but my theory also encompassed
other areas and not just that.

718
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,680
OK, so so these grey looking
things, these eye hollows and

719
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,040
they really like so scary with
these long years.

720
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,360
That's what they look like.
We're not sure if we're seeing

721
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,160
the real thing.
You've got to remember to us

722
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:08,720
then.
Yes.

723
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,200
OK, So they look like that to us
and they might be good, they

724
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,200
might be bad, and they appear to
want something from us.

725
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,760
Yes, and they they, they want to
become a part of us in a way

726
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,320
that's freaky, that's like.
Yeah, I did think I did.

727
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,120
If you're a great, stay away.
Yeah.

728
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,760
Oh yeah, definitely.
They're bad.

729
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,520
News.
Bad news.

730
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,800
I don't want guests in that way.
I think it's interesting.

731
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,760
I mean, people will tell you how
it is we, and as such, before we

732
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,200
don't know.
We have to work upon theoretical

733
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,120
content.
But think about it, what do they

734
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,000
want?
If they're here to help us,

735
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,240
We've had no help from them.
They've lied to most of their

736
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,880
captors.
They've lied to them.

737
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,400
They they haven't helped them in
any way.

738
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,040
They're after something.
They're looking for something.

739
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,040
And it's genetic.
It's material.

740
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,400
And that's interesting.
And I wondered very much about,

741
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,800
you know, their true intentions.
Is it possible?

742
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,240
And we've got to look at this
other area, you know, Are they

743
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:05,600
the dead?
In the lower astral planes

744
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,120
trying to reconnect because
through their passing and if

745
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,400
they've been really evil and
horrible, I'm just saying here

746
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,320
they've been stripped of all the
vestiges of that humaneness and

747
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,480
they're trying to find their way
back.

748
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,960
Or is it an extraterrestrial
presence since dimensional

749
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,320
presence that's lost itself
through the process of self

750
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,640
replication?
The spark of its divinity is

751
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,240
gone, it's soul is being
destroyed and they're trying to

752
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,280
recreate, recorrect that or
reconnect with that.

753
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,640
That was my main thesis.
So the other people that you've

754
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,680
spoken to in your network and
through your research that have

755
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,240
been abducted by aliens that
have seen these Grays, do they

756
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,160
also see them in that form of
grey?

757
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,600
So that you've all seen them
pretty much the credible ones.

758
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,440
We're not talking about the the
ones that you said, but but you

759
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,040
know, the credible ones, you've
all seen them in that format,

760
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,360
the grey with the hollowed eyes
and they all wanting this thing

761
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,760
from you.
And then they make you go

762
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,600
through this through matter,
through doors, through

763
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,240
everything.
They can just take you with

764
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,400
them.
Yes, if we go back to 1961,

765
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,640
Kathy Martin, the niece of Betty
Bynie Hill, she's a top UFO

766
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,720
researcher.
She's she's very good friends

767
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,560
with me and my brother.
She's one of our good friends.

768
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,560
Her auntie and uncle were
abducted in 1961 New Hampshire

769
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,720
famous case, the Betty Bynie
Hill case and they saw a UFO

770
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:23,520
coming down over their car at
night through New Hampshire and

771
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,080
the the abduction itself came
through in a dream state.

772
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,560
It was almost as if there was a
shifting of reality, as though

773
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,000
the the beings themselves could
alter reality.

774
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,120
And I believe that when they
come in, they alter that

775
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,200
reality.
So time stops in most cases and

776
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,160
they're able to come in and then
they go out and then they left

777
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,640
the individual with sometimes
repressed memories or scarred

778
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,080
memories that takes time to
resurface.

779
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,200
I could remember my abduction
very clearly, every part of it,

780
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,280
with no regression whatsoever
because I'm hard to regress or

781
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,920
hypnotize.
They can't do it.

782
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,760
So it is interesting.
It's a phenomena that eludes our

783
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,840
sense of reality.
But I think they've been here

784
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,440
for a very long time.
So, you know, if you go back to

785
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,680
ancient times and the fallen
gods and how they mated with the

786
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,880
beautiful females and created
this hybrid, the Nephilim, well,

787
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,960
what are the greys I thought and
written about?

788
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,320
What are they doing in our
modern times?

789
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,760
They are doing more or less the
same thing as what they had back

790
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,920
then or slightly differently.
They're creating some kind of

791
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,920
hybrid, whether or not back then
in the old days of old that they

792
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,720
wanted to corrupt the original
DNA connection or the original

793
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:43,360
copy of what we represented on
the spiritual level, that pure

794
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,000
divinity.
And they they were denied it and

795
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,000
they wanted to corrupt it.
So we're finding there's a lot

796
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,840
of spiritual but also genetic
interest here.

797
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,600
OK, so why?
Why have they chosen to go to

798
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,320
you and they haven't come?
And they better not if they're

799
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,640
listening, come to me because I
don't want them.

800
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:03,960
But why?
Why?

801
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,840
Is it because you're more
sensitive to it?

802
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,800
Is it because you're more
receptive to it?

803
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,720
Is it because you're on a
operating using a different part

804
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:14,120
of your brain?
What do you think the reason is?

805
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,320
I have no idea.
I always knew there was

806
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,880
something different and I felt
that inside, not just with the

807
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,960
UFO research or the
clairvoyance.

808
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,640
I hate that people put that in a
bracket like this is what it's

809
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,920
called and people are like, I
don't believe in it.

810
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,400
And I said, well, that's fine by
me.

811
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,600
I'm not here to change your
structure, belief systems.

812
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,920
It'd be very difficult world if
we were doing that, but I don't.

813
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,200
I always knew there was
something within me that

814
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:44,320
operated on a deeper level, much
deeper that that was very

815
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,640
compassionate, very
understanding, very wanting to

816
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:52,560
understand and reach out and
being in a world that's so harsh

817
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,560
with people who are too quick to
just tell you, well, this is the

818
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,160
way it was and this is the way
it is.

819
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,320
And it's like, no, but we got to
ask some questions here.

820
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,880
You know, we we got to start
asking some questions.

821
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,760
But do you want to reach out to
them?

822
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,880
Do you would if you could have a
conversation with the Grays?

823
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,160
Would you want to have that?
Do you want to speak to them?

824
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,600
Yes, in on the 8th of June 1998
when I was researching

825
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,280
Rendersham Forest.
It's famous for the three nights

826
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,120
of UF activity with the American
military stationed here at Ben

827
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,960
Waters in Suffolk, England.
We had summoned a UFO, me and my

828
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,040
brother and my and Susan, and
that had been documented.

829
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,640
We had summoned a UFO and I got
the idea from the song from

830
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,640
Karen Carpenter's Calling
Occupants.

831
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,000
And I thought, can we do that?
This was this was on the 8th of

832
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,200
June 1998 and a year before
Steve, Doctor Stephen Craig

833
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,120
created the CE5 initiative for
you're using in mind when this

834
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,000
wasn't just a light in the sky.
This was a fully structured

835
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,080
craft.
Going back to your very good

836
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,360
question about the mind.
Well, the phenomena seemed to

837
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,880
know what we wanted.
Or were we projecting that out

838
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,280
to it?
Do you see what I mean?

839
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,200
You invited.
Correct.

840
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,560
We wanted to see.
Sure you want to be inviting.

841
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,840
Yeah, I mean, it was incredible,
especially.

842
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,040
If you don't know their
intentions, I mean, if you don't

843
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,600
know whether they're good or
bad, you know that's a that's a

844
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,480
50% chance of being in big
trouble if you invite them.

845
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,600
We have nothing to lose on this
side of life.

846
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,600
We are told that you live and
you die and your consciousness

847
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,360
is completely nullified.
You are no longer here.

848
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:26,720
Everything within life, we're
world is an accident.

849
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:31,720
It's chaos, it's not order.
And I'm like, OK, but that

850
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:36,080
doesn't work with me because you
have got nothing to lose when

851
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,240
you're inviting whatever it is
that's coming forward.

852
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,520
That gives us hope.
Hope in the sense that it tells

853
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,280
us that we are part of something
bigger.

854
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,520
And if they are coming from
wherever they're coming from,

855
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,120
whether another world, it's
dimensionally.

856
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,960
However, what about them?
Where do they come from?

857
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,400
You see?
Yeah, when when you say that you

858
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,480
summoned this, this UFO, I
actually go back to the movie,

859
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,840
the ET movie.
Oh, yes.

860
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,080
You know where the little boy,
you know, you come out and you

861
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,720
actually see the big Did it look
similar to that?

862
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,640
No, the craft itself was huge
and it was pyramidical shaped

863
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,360
and there was a gap in a circle
underneath it.

864
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,200
Yeah, like a pyramid.
And there was a gap in a circle

865
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,920
appendage underneath it.
It hung above these trees in the

866
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,520
forest.
The bottom heart was blue, had a

867
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,480
blank Bank of blue lights.
It was bluish.

868
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,760
The top part that was separated
was glowing different colours

869
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,320
and wet, wet.
One of the the top part moved

870
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,080
one way, the other part moved
the other.

871
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:40,000
Almost like the witch's hat, but
with a gap and moving on each,

872
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,640
you know, different ways.
Like clockwork.

873
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,040
And I started to run towards it.
I ran towards it because I

874
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,800
wanted it.
I wanted to find out what they

875
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,960
were.
And I remembered that that was

876
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:53,760
an incredible experience.
And people say to me, I don't

877
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,600
believe you.
And I'm like, I don't want you

878
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,920
to believe me.
It was more of a personal

879
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,920
exploration of consciousness.
It was for me, not for you.

880
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:06,560
And this is the thing I have to
explain here on the last

881
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,960
sighting of UFOs, which was a
major event with me and my

882
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,560
brother and my niece Charlie,
that happened on the 9th of

883
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,120
April 2016 at 11:50 PM, fifteen
PM at night.

884
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,880
And these UFOs, the three of
them were tracked, tracked all

885
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,000
the way from the Isles of
Scilly.

886
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,600
And they were my, my niece
filmed them on her mobile phone

887
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,320
before they arrived and send it
to me and my brother on that

888
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,120
cold night because we come back
from some police friends for a

889
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,240
meal.
We didn't see any aliens, but

890
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,400
they were huge.
They were right above us.

891
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,800
And so when the my niece had
filmed them and we got it all

892
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,280
together and other researchers
were in touch with us to say

893
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,680
they'd filmed it from the other
side of England.

894
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,640
When these have been analyzed,
because I want everything

895
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,440
analyzed, everything.
I want clarity on everything.

896
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,160
No one wants to know.
It's almost as if there's some

897
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,920
kind of conscious dissidents.
I mean, television got involved.

898
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,280
Yeah.
I'm not interested in that.

899
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,880
What I'm saying is that other
ufologists like, no, can't see

900
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,560
it, because when you're
presented with something that

901
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,120
could appear as evidence, they
don't want to say.

902
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,400
It's as though they want to keep
their magic within their mind

903
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,240
going like chasing something
that they can't touch.

904
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,600
Yeah, because there were, I
mean, there were there were

905
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,800
articles what it was a few
months ago about unidentified

906
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,400
objects in the sky and that they
always make it to the

907
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,120
newspapers.
You sort of think, well, what is

908
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,280
that?
And then no one really gets to

909
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,240
the bottom of it.
So there was also a big thing

910
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,760
about, you know, governments,
you know, especially in states

911
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,360
getting involved in this.
Oh, yes, conspiracies and hiding

912
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,960
alien information from us, UFO
information.

913
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,880
Are they hiding things from us?
Oh, most definitely.

914
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,640
I think the problem is the
Pentagon and there are higher

915
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,960
officers above ordinary kernels
and you know, even the top

916
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,920
brass.
I think what's happened is that

917
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,920
when it comes to UFOs or now
UAUAPS.

918
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,200
UAPS.
The same thing.

919
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,120
It, it doesn't matter, you know,
they're just trying to, they

920
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,080
change the acronym to make it
more earthly.

921
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,600
I think the system for so long
has programmed the the public

922
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,760
into the belief that it's all
rubbish.

923
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,520
And if it is true, they're
little green men coming from

924
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,280
another, another planet and
they're the sources.

925
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,440
Yeah, they're great.
Yeah, that's right, they are

926
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,320
great.
But think about this.

927
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,400
For decades the public have been
hoodwinked with this drip feed

928
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,720
of it's possible, we're not
sure.

929
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:34,800
It's possible we're not sure.
And film footage, photographic

930
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,960
evidence, reports from Navy and
military officials.

931
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,560
Oh, that's upsetting the apple
cart.

932
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,440
And the reason being is that if
the system did release the true

933
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,640
information to the public, I
think the public will be

934
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,240
horrified.
They'd be they'd be scared.

935
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,040
What about things that have
landed on Earth?

936
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,080
Physical things or bits of
objects?

937
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,720
Or is is there something like
that?

938
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,680
Do we have anything?
Oh, you mean crashed craft

939
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,480
retrieved operations something?
Just any kind of evidence like.

940
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,520
That well, we don't have the
evidence, but we have, you know,

941
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,800
whistleblowers that come forward
and there are clean up

942
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,200
operations, crash retrieval,
clean up operations.

943
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,080
They have them in America.
They've got them.

944
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,160
And it's well known that they
bring that, that, that whenever

945
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,240
there is a crashed object of a
known origin.

946
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:23,720
And strangely enough, these
objects come in rather remote

947
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:25,440
locations.
They never seem to.

948
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,160
I've always been puzzled up Why
don't you just, you know, come

949
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,680
down in a city without hurting
anyone, but crash somewhere

950
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,720
where we can all see it?
So 1 wonders whether or not the

951
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:38,560
phenomena is deliberately
bringing itself down for us to

952
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,400
find it, or that the military
themselves have got the

953
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,600
technology to bring them down.
So I think it's, you know,

954
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:46,920
double edged sword with this,
OK.

955
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,560
So, So what happens with these
these because there are

956
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,960
unexplained objects in the sky
and then things crash and then,

957
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,800
you know, they say, well, we
don't know what this is.

958
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,000
What happens to all that stuff?
Where does it get filed?

959
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:58,920
What?
Well, it's private.

960
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,040
Does it just get categorized as
unknown?

961
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,200
We don't X-Files is there?
Is there an X-Files?

962
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:05,360
Is there really an X?
Files.

963
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,400
There is really an X-Files.
And if anyone doesn't believe

964
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,680
that there is because there
really is, because when you're

965
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:18,280
dealing with UFO research and
any of those classified programs

966
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:24,040
are within private companies, so
there is no paper trail or

967
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,280
connection leading to them.
So it's privatized so that no

968
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,160
one can get their hands on them.
And this is well known within

969
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,160
the field and what they've been
doing is been trying to back

970
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,320
engineer the technology.
But that is interesting because

971
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,320
I don't we don't feel that
they're able to do that.

972
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,240
We hear these stories that
they've been able to replicate

973
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:43,000
certain parts of this
technology.

974
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,720
But my argument is, and just
given an example here, you know

975
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,720
about the night, the famous
Roswell crash in 1947 in New

976
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:54,640
Mexico where the UFO crashed.
And it was all a big fuss,

977
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,600
wasn't it?
And it was all covered over.

978
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,840
And, and of course the military
said first of all, when it was a

979
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,720
flying disc had crashed.
And then they changed the story

980
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:07,360
to a Mogul weather balloon that
that they discovered so secret,

981
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,200
in fact, that the army didn't
even know it was.

982
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,560
So, you know, they're trying to
fob the public off.

983
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,880
But from what we understand
through whistleblowers is that

984
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,880
part of that crash had been used
to reverse engineer technology.

985
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,720
But my argument is this.
So you have a disc that comes

986
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:32,560
down with bodies graze and you
cannibalize the UFO and you use

987
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,560
it.
But the technology is just in

988
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,360
reach of our human
understanding.

989
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,360
So my idea is, is the phenomena
trying to deliberately to the

990
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,880
course of our human development
because we have come out from

991
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,120
the old days of old and now
we've suddenly turned into a

992
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,640
technological age overnight?
We don't know.

993
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,880
But if we are saying that
someones hiding it right,

994
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,480
someone says so there's The
X-Files.

995
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,640
Why is it?
Why would they be hiding?

996
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,880
Is it?
Is it just not to panic people

997
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,880
and create complete disorder or
what?

998
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,040
Who is controlling that?
And why do they want to hide it?

999
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,640
Wouldn't it be quite sensational
and quite something to release

1000
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,880
it and then let's all talk about
it on the news and what is it

1001
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,640
and analyze it, get all the
scientists involved and make it

1002
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,160
a big deal?
Like why?

1003
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,000
Why would there be an agenda to
hide?

1004
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,480
It OK, first of all, first
question before I answer that

1005
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,760
three I Atlas that's come in.
It's just come around the sun.

1006
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,920
You've heard about that object
that's that's come that they

1007
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,120
originally thought it was a
comet, but it's it's movements

1008
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:44,960
and it's it's composition.
It contradicts total science and

1009
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,840
that when when all of the
satellites in our solar system

1010
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,400
was ready to take closer images
of it, NASA went down, the

1011
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,240
Chinese space agency went down
or went quiet.

1012
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,360
OK, I'm just going to say that
first of all, because the object

1013
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,040
itself, most people are assuming
is some kind of intelligent

1014
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,440
object that has objects
accompanying it.

1015
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,680
That is, that is fact, OK,
Because they know this

1016
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,760
composition is very different.
So just just to make you aware

1017
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,520
of the fact, you know, well, who
is running the show?

1018
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,720
Who's really operating behind
the scenes, OK, with regards to

1019
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,760
letting the public know what's
going on, Why are we not being

1020
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,200
informed?
Good question.

1021
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,200
Why the cabal?
We do have a cabal on this

1022
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:30,280
planet and they are people who
have lots and lots and lots of

1023
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,640
money and they seem to be
operating behind the scenes.

1024
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,200
And people say, oh, that's
conspiracy theory.

1025
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,920
No, it's not conspiracy.
What you thought was conspiracy

1026
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,560
10 or 15 years ago has turned
out to be truthful today.

1027
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:47,280
How can that be conspiracy?
So it's possible that they have

1028
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,320
the cream that why don't they
want the public to know?

1029
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,240
Well, if the public knew, this
is my idea, if the public was

1030
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:58,640
told the truth about, oh, ladies
and gentlemen, we've got to tell

1031
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,640
you that UFOs, but we changed
the acronym to UAPS are real.

1032
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:03,480
There are great aliens.
They come in, they're

1033
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,720
interdimensional in nature.
They are biogenetic and

1034
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:08,440
material.
And they're wanting to kind of

1035
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,240
like do something with the human
being.

1036
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,760
They can abduct people.
They can also responsible for

1037
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,840
cattle mutilations.
Dare we mention that?

1038
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,560
And in some cases, human
mutilations, dear Lord.

1039
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,680
But by the way, if the system
was to explain to the public of

1040
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:30,160
the reality of your UFOs, then
life after death what we are,

1041
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,520
and that would lead them, I
believe, all the way back to

1042
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:39,280
say, hang on just a minute.
Within religion, religion, we

1043
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,800
are seeing these signs, We are
seeing these lights, these

1044
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,880
miracles, and nothing's changed.
But I think and feel that most

1045
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,960
people say, well, hang on a
minute, you know, we've been

1046
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,040
lied to.
You've lied to us and, and it

1047
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,840
will, I think that social order
will break down because those at

1048
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,640
the top, the cabal will you
know, that that their monopolies

1049
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,600
would come down.
I mean, if if this object that

1050
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,000
was coming that's in space did
let's just say it presented

1051
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,880
itself to the Earth.
Apparently it's 13 miles in

1052
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,040
width.
I don't think it will come here,

1053
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,760
but I'm just saying that those
rich people will be so

1054
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,680
frightened because all their
money will go because they're

1055
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,200
like, Oh my goodness me, look at
that.

1056
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,760
What on earth is that?
The system's told us they don't

1057
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,880
exist.
And there it is.

1058
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,520
I'm not going to go to work.
This is what you see what I

1059
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:26,920
mean?
Go.

1060
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:31,600
To work.
OK, so we've spoken about

1061
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,720
aliens, we've spoken about UFOs
and all all of that

1062
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:39,680
extraterrestrial type thing.
But you've also got a speciality

1063
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,880
in the well there is an overlap,
isn't there?

1064
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,440
Paranormal.
I was going to ask you straight

1065
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,520
up, do you think ghosts are
real?

1066
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,840
Our understanding of ghosts is a
little bit, you know,

1067
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,040
stereotypical.
I think residue of energy of

1068
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,600
human consciousness sometimes
can hang around certain areas.

1069
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,200
Residue of energy.
Yeah.

1070
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,840
So we are energy.
So you and I are energy.

1071
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,240
Everything around us is energy.
It operates and fluctuates on

1072
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:14,440
different energy exchanges.
And so I believe that ghosts do

1073
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,120
hanging around.
I don't think they're out to

1074
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,640
specifically scare you.
I think perhaps it could be that

1075
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,560
in some instances there are two
thoughts about that.

1076
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:28,600
Whether or not something in a
past has had such a strong

1077
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,280
impression upon the person that
has died and that residue, that

1078
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,200
recording is still playing out,
that has happened within the

1079
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,960
past like an echo and imprint
that we're seeing of that.

1080
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,800
And and if you've heard a person
that's either passing away

1081
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,240
already on their way to the
other world saying something to

1082
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,160
you, or one that's already
passed and you hear them

1083
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:56,360
speaking to you, is that energy?
Yes, a transference of energy, I

1084
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,240
think can believe that in this
material form, this biological

1085
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,720
form, the spirit, the
consciousness, that part of what

1086
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,920
we represent has been recorded
as beings, almost like they

1087
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,480
would call the secondary body,
the etheric body, the astral.

1088
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:10,520
Body the secondary.
Body The.

1089
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,600
Secondary body, it's called a
secondary body, the astral body,

1090
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,720
the etheric body.
So it's energy that permeates

1091
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:22,480
the human biological form and
upon death, a lot of cases

1092
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,240
reports seeing this energy
dissipate from the person

1093
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,400
normally through the mouth.
The Egyptians used to do the the

1094
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,440
their rituals to, you know,
smash the mouth open in their

1095
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:37,520
rituals to release the spirit
and sometimes from the stomach.

1096
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,840
So we are energy, but we're
we're understanding that that

1097
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,080
energy supersedes this physical
material level of reality and

1098
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,920
goes into what we call the
spirit world if it's kind of.

1099
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,440
Like like faint like not that
strong.

1100
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,920
Sometimes it would just be like
a voice or a a saying or.

1101
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,400
A Yeah, because.
So many people have reported

1102
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,560
this.
Yeah, because we're not.

1103
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,440
Matched so many.
Yeah, we're not matched by that

1104
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,680
density.
Remember, it's like that.

1105
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,960
Your mobile phone and the
signal, they are, they

1106
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,200
complement one another very
well, but they are different

1107
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,120
connections of energy.
Do you see what I mean?

1108
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,200
So you can't grab the signals,
you can't mould them, you can't

1109
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,400
read them until it attaches to
the modulator.

1110
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,400
But normally that those who have
crossed over able to reach out

1111
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,480
to their loved ones to give them
a message, to give them a sign

1112
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,200
to sometimes speak to them or or
give them a message to them to

1113
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,840
tell them that they're OK.
That normally happens quite a

1114
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,040
lot of time.
But people say I want proof.

1115
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,800
Well, you're not going to get
it, are you?

1116
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:43,520
You know, tell me, Sir or Madam,
where your signal is to a mobile

1117
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,240
phone when it's there.
Well, where is it?

1118
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,480
Show it to me.
You can't, but they just take it

1119
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,080
for granted, which we know.
I'm just giving an example that,

1120
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,160
well, where is the signal?
It's there.

1121
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,960
Where is it?
You can't see that.

1122
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:02,040
So when we're dealing with life
after death, it is fascinating.

1123
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,600
There are many different levels
that we look we can look at with

1124
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,600
regards to that.
And what we have to also be very

1125
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,360
careful of is also religious
ideologies, because religion has

1126
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,160
its own constructs.
But I believe that death is a

1127
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,360
very personal experience, as
life is.

1128
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,720
We're trying to squeeze it all
into the same box, and this is

1129
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,880
what it is.
And that's what it is.

1130
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,320
No, it's going to be different
for you, just as your life.

1131
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,000
Is well, I've certainly heard
people saying that they've heard

1132
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,760
and and I've had some weird
experiences myself, but you

1133
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,840
know, you some you'll hear of.
Yeah, my, my grandmother came to

1134
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,480
me when my grand my grandmother
when this all started with

1135
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,880
regards to the mediumship, and I
believe you may, I didn't want

1136
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,680
anything to do with it.
I was involved with UFO research

1137
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:50,080
before the mediumship came about
was that I, we had gone to go

1138
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,640
and see our maternal grandmother
who was dying of cancer in a

1139
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,320
Somerset hospital.
And a week later I was at home

1140
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,600
in in Bedford chair and I was
asleep.

1141
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,640
And I start I woke up and I was
crying and I got visibly upset

1142
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,920
and I knew something had
happened to my grandma.

1143
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:13,160
And her voice, her voice came in
my head twice.

1144
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,800
Why are you crying?
These were exact words.

1145
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,280
Why are you crying?
It was her voice.

1146
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:22,240
She wasn't admonishing.
Oh yes, in here clearly.

1147
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,960
And she wasn't angry.
But I thought I was shocked.

1148
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,040
And then she showed me a scene
in her head of her holding me

1149
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,120
and my twin brother as babies in
her arms.

1150
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,160
We have the photograph.
It's in the album.

1151
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,800
And there was a silence and then
the phone rang.

1152
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,640
She'd passed at that point.
I then went to go for the first

1153
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,720
time ever.
I'd gone to the consultant

1154
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,320
medium that worked for the FBI
in America who worked in cold

1155
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,160
soul cases.
That means that she was a medium

1156
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,160
that would find bodies that the
police couldn't find.

1157
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,760
So the normally the FBI would
bring them in.

1158
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,560
So she I went to go and see her
and I was kind of like on the

1159
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,600
fence because I'm people know me
to be no nonsense.

1160
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,040
And she wiped the floor with me
and she said to me, you'll be

1161
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,880
back here in two years to do
mediumship.

1162
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,760
And I said no.
And two years later, I was back.

1163
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,000
So you, you, you believed her
what she was doing.

1164
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,760
You.
Oh, yes, absolutely.

1165
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,200
She brought my grandmother
through.

1166
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,160
She knew about things that no
one else knew about me.

1167
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,040
She even knew about the alien
abduction.

1168
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,920
She brought that up in the
reading.

1169
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,960
Look, you're going back to, you
know, back in the days of 19 and

1170
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:34,200
late 90s, I mean, people didn't
have access to information as we

1171
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,760
do today.
And I was stunned.

1172
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,640
I remembered when she finished
the reading, she brought my

1173
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,640
grandma through.
I got in my car.

1174
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:45,920
I sat down in my car and I, I, I
lit a cigarette in my car.

1175
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,720
I never smoked in my car indoors
before.

1176
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,320
I lit and I put my head down on
the steering wheel and I cried

1177
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,160
and it was like a like a weight
lifted from my shoulder.

1178
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,520
And the police were using her to
do.

1179
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:56,360
To to.
Oh yes, all.

1180
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,320
These cases, Oh yeah, you hear
about that?

1181
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,520
It's just I can't explain.
It can.

1182
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,360
You.
Well, I will tell you while

1183
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,960
we're here that we were involved
with her when she had consulted

1184
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,960
the police here in England and
she was half a mile away from

1185
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,480
the body, very sadly, of Sarah
Payne, the young girl that had

1186
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,840
been murdered.
She was half a, a mile away from

1187
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,920
detecting of where her body was.
Oh, yes, yeah.

1188
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:20,000
Absolutely.
Yeah.

1189
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,880
Yeah.
Incredible, isn't it?

1190
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,680
It is incredible.
So this opened up a yeah, a

1191
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,400
whole new area of investigation
on a psychic level, like, well,

1192
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,520
can you can do that with your
mind.

1193
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,840
You can they help you.
And as soon as I was back to see

1194
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:38,200
her, because there was a friend
of mine who had died of cancer,

1195
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,600
Gareth, his name was, he was
dying of cancer.

1196
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,560
And this was in 1998.
He died in 1999.

1197
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,840
And I'd written a manuscript
called The Eternal Cosmic

1198
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,400
Corridor.
I wasn't published then.

1199
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,440
And I was going through the
stage of UFO research, not

1200
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,160
really, you know, getting
everything together and then

1201
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,000
being involved in the psychic
part.

1202
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:07,000
So what happened with Gareth was
that he was 18 and going to 19

1203
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,840
and he had cancer.
He was a swimmer and he, we used

1204
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,560
to work with him.
He was a work colleague.

1205
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,880
We all loved him.
Never seen anyone go through

1206
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,600
that before.
Never Before he passed over, I

1207
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,640
said to him, would you do me a
favor?

1208
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,200
I said, would you be able to
show yourself to me after you

1209
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:27,200
passed?
God, that was a tall order.

1210
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,000
And I thought he'd hit me
because I was involved with PAL.

1211
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,560
Then my grandmother had passed.
So he said, sure, I'll do that.

1212
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,400
How do you expect me to do that?
And I said, I don't know.

1213
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,920
You'll find a way.
So he said, OK, I'll beam down

1214
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,280
like they do on Star Trek.
So he passed on the 24th of

1215
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:47,120
June, 1999, and he'd read my
book, The Eternal Cosmic

1216
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,520
Corridor that then eventually
became Reaching for the Divine.

1217
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:54,400
Years later that was published.
And I, after he passed, went to

1218
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,040
the funeral.
I went to a bookstore and this

1219
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,120
book fell on the floor.
It was a bookstore.

1220
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,640
And down Mill Street in Bedford,
Richard Wildman owned it.

1221
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,520
He was an author of books on
Bedfordshire.

1222
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,800
He was a good man.
And the book was Reunions by

1223
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,120
Doctor Raymond Moody, How to
communicate the dead through

1224
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,640
using mirrors.
It's all been written about.

1225
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:17,560
I've written all about this.
So I used his experiment of

1226
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,080
mirror gazing to bring Gareth
through.

1227
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,880
Nothing happened where you you
sit in a room and you get a

1228
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,920
mirror.
You put it in an angle so that

1229
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,360
your face is not sewing into it.
It's dark and you think about

1230
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:30,480
the person you want to come
through.

1231
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:35,280
Nothing happened.
But then in the winter of 1999,

1232
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,000
I came back from work.
I sat in the kitchen.

1233
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,520
It was dark outside.
The lights were on, creating a

1234
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:45,520
kind of like a black screen
effect on the Conservatory glass

1235
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,920
doors.
We have a garage Outback that

1236
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,480
has that is locked and there's a
side door which is locked and

1237
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:52,720
there's a big gate that's
locked.

1238
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:57,400
No one can get in and there was
a young lad that I saw coming

1239
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,360
through the doorway to the
garage as though exiting the

1240
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,920
garage where the car is parked
And I got up and he moved

1241
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,000
forward and turned to face me
and it was Gareth.

1242
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,680
He had his his cap, white
T-shirt and blue jeans on.

1243
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,240
He was looking straight at me.
Did he say anything?

1244
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:16,840
To you?
Nope, he was looking.

1245
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:22,160
He looked very much the way he
had just before he he was.

1246
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,800
He wasn't as I'll looking, but
he looked like that when he put

1247
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,640
his hand up a sip to say what's
wrong.

1248
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:33,680
This is I could see him clearly.
And then I was so shocked that I

1249
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,960
got up and I pulled the
conservative glass door back

1250
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,600
because that's the other doors
to the the the other doors, you

1251
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,440
know, got conservative here than
the the other conservative.

1252
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,000
And he'd gone.
And I remembered I was so

1253
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,440
stunned.
And that's when I went back to

1254
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,800
see Pearl.
That was what because Pearl said

1255
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,800
to me, you'll be back in two
years time, two to three years.

1256
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,680
I can't remember which it was.
I'm sorry.

1257
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:56,600
I don't want to quote me on
that.

1258
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,120
I don't care because it all
happened and I was back to see

1259
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,320
the medium.
And it was all because of that

1260
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,560
because I was so shocked.
And I think I'm a very hard

1261
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,000
person.
I mean, I like, I like to talk

1262
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,880
to people and I like to discuss
and, you know, tell them how I

1263
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,280
feel very passionately.
But it's sometimes hard to get

1264
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,640
through to me.
But that hit me hard.

1265
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,680
And I think most elements of the
phenomena has done that, given

1266
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,800
me a whack to say we're going to
wake you up.

1267
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,360
We want you to wake up to see
that this is real.

1268
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,680
But then how would you deal with
that afterwards?

1269
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:33,440
Well, there will be a lot of
people watching this that have

1270
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,920
had some sort of experience that
they can't explain.

1271
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,440
Either they've seen someone
that's passed away or they felt

1272
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,240
their energy or they've spoken
to them or they've sent them

1273
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,760
some some sign.
That's a very obvious sign and

1274
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,840
they know it and only them and
that person would know that

1275
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,200
thing.
There will be people watching.

1276
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,640
I can't explain it, but I've had
these experiences.

1277
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,280
Whether you believe in ghosts,
whether you don't believe in

1278
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,400
ghosts and and also with the
aliens and things how how far

1279
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,920
you want to take that.
And there is connections to be

1280
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,160
made, There must be links, there
must be purpose, there must be

1281
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,400
understanding to what we are,
where we come from.

1282
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,720
My God, you know, Otherwise what
is the point?

1283
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,520
I go back, I have an identical
twin brother and we're very,

1284
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,439
very close and I can't imagine
life without him.

1285
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:22,840
And it's the same with all of
us.

1286
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,160
You are someone in this
mechanical existence that goes

1287
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,680
round in a wheel and the wheel.
And I'm sitting there thinking,

1288
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,800
Oh my God, what on earth is
going on?

1289
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,160
And they're probably thinking
the same of me.

1290
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,800
And I'm like, but I'm seeing
things differently from you as

1291
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,600
you're seeing things differently
from me.

1292
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:40,720
But what I say to them is that
if you've ever loved someone,

1293
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,520
have you ever loved someone so
much and then you've lost them?

1294
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,600
I haven't lost my twin brother,
but if you've lost someone that

1295
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,479
you love, that changes
everything.

1296
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,000
We are my God.
We have the spirit.

1297
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,920
We have a deeper part of us that
I know that music's vibration.

1298
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,560
We listen to music, but there's
a deeper part of us that

1299
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:02,200
resonates that connects on a
stronger level of the spirit,

1300
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:06,760
you know, of the soul, as people
call it, you know, And if you

1301
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,880
are denouncing that, and I'm
sorry, I'm walking out of life,

1302
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,560
I don't want nothing more to do
with it because what is the

1303
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,800
point?
And this is, this is what I

1304
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,200
can't get my head round, Sandra.
I can't understand why people

1305
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,439
are just, and they're doing it.
They're moving forward because

1306
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,040
they have to.
And I'm like, stop, stop.

1307
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,680
Look around you.
We're not asking the right

1308
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,120
questions.
Why is the system not telling us

1309
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,200
this?
Why have we got no clarity here?

1310
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,720
Why are these people being so
greedy and taking everything

1311
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,600
from other people?
Why is there suffering?

1312
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,640
Why is there destruction?
It goes on.

1313
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:43,240
And I just think you get to that
point where you think I've had

1314
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:46,520
enough, it's got to stop.
We've got to ask the right

1315
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,600
questions.
So yeah, we're going back to the

1316
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,680
UFO research and the life after
death concept.

1317
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,600
I thought people would think I
was mad, but I don't Care now

1318
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,960
because I'm in after the truth.
Well, it's been out of this

1319
01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:04,520
world, shall I say, and out of
this world experience having you

1320
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,360
on.
It's definitely stretched my

1321
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,120
mind in directions I didn't know
possible, but it's been

1322
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,520
fascinating having you on.
Thank you very much.

1323
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,320
I wish.
You all the very best with all

1324
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,920
of the future research that you
I'm sure you're going to be

1325
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,200
doing.
Thank you very much.

1326
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:19,000
Thank you.
I.

1327
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,720
Look forward to seeing what you
find.

1328
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,120
Thank you, and thank you for
coming on, and it's been an

1329
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:25,440
honor to be on the show with
you.

1330
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,320
Alexandra, thank you very much
indeed.

1331
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:27,680
Thank you.