What Surviving Wildlife Teaches You About Business

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in this episode I interview Joe Phillips who is a 
self-proclaimed James Bond of the Jungle he talks

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about why he's not scared of alen sugar because 
he's faced far worse things in the jungle and

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we cover which animal made him faint we cover 
some of the weirdest things fans have ever sent

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him or said to him it's a really interesting 
and funny one so I hope you enjoy it [Music]

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Joe welcome to Beyond The Boardroom podcast 
I'm really happy to have you here because out

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of all the apprentices you kind of Stand Out ex 
apprentices because never have I ever or anyone

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seen a Apprentice candidate who's also a safari 
guide it just doesn't fit cuz aren't aren't all

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The Apprentice people supposed to be mean it's 
weird isn't it yeah yeah well most of it but like

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a safari guide yeah it doesn't really add up no it 
doesn't add up it doesn't add up yeah thanks for

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having me on this uh show hopefully we can dive 
into that in a bit more detail thanks for coming

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on Pleasure we'll start with if you could describe 
yourself in three words what would those three

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words be and why oh my gosh positive enthusiastic 
and ambitious I think that would probably be the

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three to enthusiastic and ambitious yeah okay 
I'd say so yeah ambitious or driven one of them

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I think one of them okay okay I said three three 
so let's go for positive enthusiast fastic and

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ambitious I can see that I can I can definitely 
see that okay let's talk about the Safari side

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first you clearly love animals like did you always 
love animals so I was I was lucky enough to grow

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up in the developing world so I spent most of my 
childhood kind of hopping around these fantastic

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countries like Zimbabwe and Malaysia and Egypt 
why were you why were you doing it was mainly

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my dad's job so my my mom's a doctor and she was 
working out in Uganda at the time my mom's side

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grew up in Zambia dad works as venture capitalist 
so completely different um I guess that's you can

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probably already tell that's where I get my kind 
of business side from there and then the kind of

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nature loving side from my mom I grew up in South 
Africa so and I visited a lot of the countries as

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well the nearby country so Zimbabwe is one of them 
which city did you live in was it Harari in Harari

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in Harari yeah in Harari listen when I was there 
never in my life have I seen spiders of there size

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oh yeah you love them though you've got to love 
them no you don't love them I mean I just looked

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up in the ceiling one day and it was about that 
big it dropped on the ground and it's start oh

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no the thing is so spiders yes our house I don't 
know what it was our house in in Zim and Harari

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was like I don't know if there's like a scorpion 
Nest or something there but it was infested with

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scorpions go you can die from there there's a lot 
of yeah you can you well there are two types of

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this is like where my passion here we go scorpions 
no there's bu day scorpion day scorpion day is

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fine which luckily is what we had so we've all 
been stung by them and it's like a hot beasting

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like really painful but you won't die um butha 
day if you get stung by them sure is it hours a

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couple of hours or days no not really no it it 
it you can die from them it's not fatal every

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single time but for if you're young like when we 
were if we got stung by a scorpion ber SC when we

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were 3 years old yeah it can be a matter of days 
just the way they put their tail I know they just

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freaky but I loved it so to answer your question 
I know we deviated a bit to answer your question

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my earliest memories are like running around the 
African bush Barefoot and I've always been curious

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and around Nature close to it close to it and I 
think when you're exposed to a such a diversity of

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biomes from the African Savannah to the Malaysian 
jungle to the Egyptian desert it's impossible not

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to fall in love with it is impossible they say 
that once you've you've you've lived in Africa

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you've got that magic of Africa within you that's 
there is something in there is you'll never it's

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like so special I encourage anyone to be watching 
to go submer yourself in it but also as a kitty

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when you're so close you know because I mean kids 
on these days on their phones whatever blah blah

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blah um and they indoors and stuff but when you're 
outside and you get to know like like ants and

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what they do and they become like your friends but 
in a way they you're playing with different kinds

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of animals and insects and you're learning about 
them and you close them like that bug and this bug

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and the birds and this and that you kind of you 
then get really close and then you feel like you

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want to protect them don't you and that's what I 
loved about guiding and learning about the bush

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is it just it opens your eyes to like saying 
people think about conservation they think of

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pandas you know what it's more than that like the 
ants and the bugs and the Beatles that's that's

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the exciting thing that's what I get excited 
about cute aren they there's so much to them

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but not just the ones in the in the in Africa 
and in the bush cuz like we we'll get to this

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but I also like because of my love for Animals 
as well like you in in Africa I've also started

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to discover the ones that are here so the reason 
why I agree with you saying ambition as one of

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your points to describe yourself is because in our 
pre- podcast call you said that you want to follow

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in David aten's footsteps I mean that's a massive 
thing to say oh yeah I'd love to try you're going

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to try yeah well you want to that's an ambition 
so no one can say you're not an ambitious person

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you 100% are very ambitious and I think that would 
suit you cuz you've got you like the whole TV side

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right yeah exactly yeah not shy and then you love 
animals so why not exactly and I love education

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as well I think when you look at conservation 
one of the big most powerful tools we have is

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educating people about nature and David at just 
does that so well yeah and so that's what i' i'

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love to do okay so speaking of Education I mean 
seriously what do you actually study in Zoology

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like just literally what is it uh so obviously 
I studied zoology at xter and ethology at Oxford

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which is like animal behavior it's not like you 
learn this is a this is a cow this is a giraffe

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this is how a cow behaves exactly um it's so you 
start you start off and it's starts off broad like

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any University degree and then it goes narrow so 
what do you mean Broad like these are the types of

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animal categories and exactly yeah exactly so like 
our modules in first crustations these are 100%

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100% so like we had modules called invertebrate 
zoology and vertebrate zoology so like these broad

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clades where you dive and learn about cordat and 
you learn about arthropods um they have a like a

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backbone thing on exactly exactly yeah um but 
then you kind of specialize and you can go you

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know first you'll be broad like sustainability 
ecology yeah and then as you progress you kind

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of choose the one the direction you want to go 
in so I love like physiology learning about the

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body and hormones and things like that um 
and eventually specialized into Behavior

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like animal behavior was something I fell in love 
with yeah but what do you learn in animal behavior

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like how does a lion behave when he's you know 
angry with another lion entering to so what you

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well the lion is angry exact like I like I said 
I've always been curious about nature and I loved

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as a guy just sit I could sit and watch like a 
troop of baboons or or elephant for hours and

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just be like what do you what are you thinking 
right now what what is I know what they think

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I'll tell you a story The baboons they're like 
feisty little things oh yeah I was in a really

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nice resort in South Africa but it's kind of like 
one of those really in touch with nature kind of

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resort basic stripped back and um I was outside 
on the balcony looking at the ocean you know very

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nice Vibe sort of in my own world with my little 
child who was 1 years old she was eating a banana

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and then I looked and there was a baboon bigger 
than a man yeah looking at me and then he start

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towards me and reached out to take the banana off 
my child yeah and on my instinct I just literally

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took her and I shoved her behind the doors and 
like sliding sling and he's fall coming towards

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me and I'm like I only just his hand human hands 
like honestly the nails you could see it like so

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human it's crazy and he was so strong trying 
to open the sliding door and I'm shouting from

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husband going hell yeah help me and my husband 
runs and both of us versus this baboon and the

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booon S of looking and I'm like oh no you don't 
you're not eating my mother's instinct kick in

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you know what my strength I tell you I'm we're 
animals too you know so like yeah come come on

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baboon you know what I mean Bring It On you're 
not taking the banana nor the child but appar

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they go in they go inside these homes they raid 
the fridges they know this stuff man yeah what

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behavior is this like yeah well they're scary as 
well they're their canines are actually bigger

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than a lions they the male baboons are scary 
I've also been scratched by a a baboon yeah

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baboon scratched you yeah I've I've had so I've 
been like bitten and scratch stung by all sorts

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of how scratchy I don't I even know I was I was 
super young but it's actually very embarrassing

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like I've I've been bitten by things scratched by 
things wild BS monkeys scorpions and then in Egypt

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I got it's actually so embarrassing I don't know 
why I'm saying this say it um so I've had like

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so many rabies Jabs I'm sorted for life like just 
because of all the wild animals I've been Scratch

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by and then when we're in Egypt I was in like a 
pet shop like the back street of Cairo and playing

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with this little kitten like the so I could 
fit it in one hand um and then the kitten bit

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me on the top of my finger o and uh I fainted you 
fainted I was just so embarrassing I remember like

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I remember looking at my finger and like watching 
the blood Trickle and then next thing I remember I

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was I was waking up to like fresh orange juice 
and stuff oh wow it was so embarrassing did

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you have antibiotic though after he he bit you I 
actually went and got another rabies jab because

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I think the reason why I fainted is as I was 
looking at this Blood like my mom was talking to

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the pet shop owner and the Pet Shop was like yeah 
I think um you should probably get him some rabies

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Jabs cuz we don't quite know and I was like yeah 
you freaked out bang yeah wow okay so you have

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this sensitive side to blood but no because um so 
my dad uh was a veteranary scientist but sort of

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like that's a reason why he got asked to go from 
Poland to South Africa in 1981 right so he but

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he didn't he worked on like vaccines like Ebola 
type stuff so these big fridges and everything

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but um he's always say that if you um ever got 
bitten by a cat like as in blood that you should

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get an antibiotic because you can get sepsis 
from that and literally die cuz of the bacteria

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they're very unique to having this toxic bacteria 
there and yeah like Lion's one of the like if you

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don't die of blood loss it'll probably be kill you 
eventually all theia yeah so the cats said they're

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very nice but you get bitten so yeah probably were 
right to faint actually yeah um so I was going to

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ask what's the wildest thing that's that's ever 
happened the wildest experience you know when

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you go on far you can either go on drive like you 
you take the vehicle out um or you can go on foot

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trek trek yeah that's what I specialized in so I 
it's Brave yeah but I love it when you learn to

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be a guide you qualify as FASA level I wanted to 
take that further and get my Trails qualification

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which is where you do your Advanced rifle handling 
you learn how to track how to Trail um that's the

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danger because you're you're in their their 
environment you know yes their house yeah

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it's their it's their house their rules their 
neighborhood so when you're in a vehicle you

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feel very safe when you see a lion walking by when 
you're on foot yeah it's a whole different story

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yeah um so the wild experience I I've been charged 
by elephant by lion by Buffalo you've been charged

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by an elephant yeah yeah how does that feel being 
y i as you can imagine it gets your heart how did

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you run away from oh you never run never run never 
run okay um except okay I'll tell you a story so

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the goal and obviously you want to avoid these 
situations you never want to be the whole purpose

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in in learning how to Trail and track is to be 
able to cope in a situation like that and it's so

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much fun like we I and camped in the Lim poo for 
3 months straight every day we would track a new

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animal so it would be you know today we're finding 
lion find the Spore track it find the pride

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approach the pride next day elephant b b bom and 
each day and remember our trainers they would want

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us to push the boundaries intentionally so each 
animal would have like their zone of confidence

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we call it like where they're comfortable they 
see you but they're like okay he's fine there

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if you go a bit closer he's like I don't want 
him to come closer and then if you step further

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that's when it initiates the charge or the run 
so you kind of deserve it though oh yeah and

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you know and like elephant they're so they that 
they're just so obvious with their emotions and

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if they're unhappy they'll tell you they shake 
their head or they trumpet yeah yeah but yeah so

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our trainers would intentionally get us to push 
those boundaries so we knew how to deal with it

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MH and it so it would get to the point where you 
know based on their behavior and you're studying

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this Lon intensely if I take another step here 
that thing's going to charge and and then you'd be

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stood there and the trainer would be like one more 
step and then you take one more step so who you up

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against you a lion or a lion elephant so yeah I 
was going to tell you a story so been charged by

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both but lions are quite easy to be honest they 
they they're they're scaredy cats at the end of

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the day um elephant are really emotional so you 
can tell if it's a mock charge like they usually

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pull up 5 10 met away from you um but buffalo 
buffalo yeah they are another story okay um so

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probably yeah if I was to give you my wildest 
experience we um actually I'll give you one for

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lion first M so we were on trail and this was 
only like day two or something of the training

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program and so I was like super naive I was don't 
know what to do here trainer was leading the walk

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and we didn't even get out of camp we literally 
went around the corner and bumped into this female

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lioness and I think we both just scared each 
other but um she just mock charged us again

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and again she's a lioness so yeah she's she's not 
a scaredy cat like her husband exactly yeah you

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know you don't mess with the Lioness no way um but 
yeah we like hey hey like stop stop you bang the

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yeah 100% that's that's what you do like display 
dominance nature is a game of dominance um but she

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wasn't having any of it she was mock charging mock 
charging um and then what did it in the end is my

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trainer put a bolt in the chamber and I think that 
noise scared her off okay she's smart yeah cuz it

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was like an artificial you know like and she was 
like what's that and then ran clever oh wow but

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yeah so the Buffalo one sorry I let me know if 
you want to move on cuz I could just talk forever

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about we'll do Buffalo and then we'll yeah got 
it um but yeah this was also during training and

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the thing about Buffalo is they show no emotion 
this is why they they're hard to read they're so

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hard to read and they they actually cause the most 
deaths in Africa when you're on Safari um but yeah

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we were tracking this one Buffalo we were actually 
tracking the herd and then the older balls usually

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fall behind the herd uh and they're The Dangerous 
Ones cuz they're on their own and anyway we come

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across this one and we basically get too close 
to it and it sees we're coming and all I remember

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it's doing is like all they do is like this like 
they look at you and then they're like like in

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a Bine way like Curious and they take one step 
and then and then they just come and I remember

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seeing this thing like coming like this and then 
that Joe from The Apprentice he's going to get it

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I'm coming from and the golden rule is don't 
run yeah but with Buffalo no no run and that's

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what my trainer did he literally ran and before 
I knew I was like oh we're running and we ran and

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the backup Trails guide actually fell and she 
dropped her rifle and Y it was just hectic and

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and I remember looking back and seeing this thing 
coming came around the corner went round a tree

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and eventually it went off but um but yeah that's 
probably the that's probably the wildest story

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yeah that's why you're called Jungle Joe I guess 
so do you like that name uh I think so I don't

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know where that originated but I think yeah 
cuz I was going to ask what if you you were

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quoted as saying you face worse than Lord 
sugar I believe you now I yeah the Buffalo

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but isn't a hippo hippo's the most dangerous 
and feisty and unpredictable I mean they also

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in the water you only see the little ears and 
exactly yeah charge for you they're aggressive

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and they're fast as well fast yeah they they 
yeah I think they cause the most deaths just

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because um they're Territorial and if you're by 
the Riverside you know the locals will be fishing

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or something um and then yeah they'll they'll 
Chomp you but also on a on a more serious note

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because you said like obviously in a car you feel 
safer but I mean I've heard stories of people you

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being trampled in in cars squashed and stuff by 
elephants getting too close and things like that

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and it's I I'm never compet I always like yeah 
yeah you're in their environments so it's like

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that's their world and you kind of have to be 
respectful and just you have to be respectful

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you don't want to get into those situations but 
like you said yeah like one of the quotes was

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I've faced worse than it Lord sugar yeah yeah so 
the the reason behind that is I feel like these

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days no one experiences fear like a real fear like 
primitive raw fear we we don't have it you know

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you might be stressed out if you miss your train 
yeah but um but very rarely these days you have

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that experience so for me that raw fear yeah get 
it like business is a game money is a game you'll

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win it you'll lose it and the next day you'll be 
alive life you know he's all right he's a teddy

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bear he's fine he's fine so why did you apply to 
Apprentice um I've watched it for years with my

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family um and I thought why not yeah I thought why 
not not chucking an application I think there were

0:19:31.240,0:19:39.040
110,000 applicants there's loads of ridiculous 
so many so I submitted this video uh application

0:19:39.040,0:19:48.120
and then forgot about it and then I was actually 
on Horseback in in the kria river like on Safari

0:19:48.120,0:19:53.400
when they rang me and they're like it's BBC here 
we want to chat to you about The Apprentice I was

0:19:53.400,0:20:00.800
like is this a seriously yeah is this a joke um 
overall was the experience on The Apprentice as

0:20:00.800,0:20:07.280
intense as it looks or how did you find it oh it 
more so I'd say more more intense than you see

0:20:07.280,0:20:16.080
on TV holy Crums yeah so like for the boardroom 
for example is what like a 20 minute segment or

0:20:16.080,0:20:21.280
something per episode whereas in reality you're in 
there for like 4 hours oh it's like more sometime

0:20:21.280,0:20:27.120
yeah more four it's a whole day thrashing it a day 
yeah but yeah you have a boardroom day don't you

0:20:27.120,0:20:34.440
especially if you lose you obviously come yeah um 
and then each day is like you know you're working

0:20:34.440,0:20:40.560
6 days a week 18 hour days you're not eating 
properly oh I think that's intentional yeah you're

0:20:40.560,0:20:47.080
not of course is it you're just you're fueled on 
like caffeine sugar adrenaline yeah yeah yeah yeah

0:20:47.080,0:20:51.480
yeah um youve got a health issue that's a problem 
you're that and that's what I struggled with as

0:20:51.480,0:20:56.520
well just a lot of sugar and yeah I couldn't cope 
without the food and sleep like that that I can't

0:20:56.520,0:21:02.400
do that well I think got a very high metabolism I 
don't know about me too yeah and food all the time

0:21:02.400,0:21:10.600
100% you call yourself the James Bond of business 
are you actually the really no offense like no

0:21:10.600,0:21:15.800
offense no I think that's one of the things they 
wanted me to they wanted you to do so you don't

0:21:15.800,0:21:22.720
really believe no no no secretly no the I'll tell 
you the story behind that so when you apply you

0:21:22.720,0:21:28.720
have to submit a video yeah and I told you I 
decided to apply the day before I flew out to

0:21:28.720,0:21:34.480
Africa okay so when I landed in South Africa 
I thought why not I'll apply and when I was

0:21:34.480,0:21:39.680
getting the boat into the lodge I was working 
at I thought this is a better time than any so

0:21:39.680,0:21:44.000
I gave my friend my phone to my colleague and she 
said just film me getting out the boat it was the

0:21:44.000,0:21:48.560
first thing it came to my my mind I was like I'm 
Joe Phillips I'm the James Bond of the business

0:21:48.560,0:21:56.360
world and then I regret saying that then they like 
you got to you got to you got to um you got to be

0:21:56.360,0:22:00.440
good on camera you got to give them what you got 
to got to be a character I think that's what they

0:22:00.440,0:22:05.560
stand out or it ain't going to happen how has your 
life changed since the Apprentice it's been like

0:22:05.560,0:22:10.640
a year now yeah but a good year so how was it 
been have you enjoyed it do you feel famous do

0:22:10.640,0:22:18.640
you not feel famous um I absolutely loved it like 
I feel privileged to have had the opportunity to

0:22:18.640,0:22:24.080
go on the show it's helped to the business but not 
not as much as I thought kind of on your own when

0:22:24.080,0:22:30.080
you get out yeah yeah it's not like a big yeah 
the exposure is great like so for my most of my

0:22:30.080,0:22:34.760
sales come through my retailers like I wholesale 
to them but I do have an e-commerce section that

0:22:34.760,0:22:42.800
equates like 20% of my Revenue but when you go on 
your fired you know the show after The Apprentice

0:22:42.800,0:22:48.440
they give you like one sentence where you can 
plug your business so so what's the business

0:22:48.440,0:22:56.040
and I remember I said something I was like I run 
a sustainable uh lip care company called surf Barm

0:22:56.040,0:23:00.120
yeah and I remember watching it back with my 
phone on the side side of the thing and I was

0:23:00.120,0:23:07.880
I said that one sentence and 10 seconds later my 
phone bing bing bing bing binging like all these

0:23:07.880,0:23:13.960
sales coming in it was ridiculous are you doing 
that now still you're doing that in terms of the

0:23:13.960,0:23:20.360
fame and stuff do you feel famous yes no feel bit 
um it definitely drops off so like when the show

0:23:20.360,0:23:28.440
comes out it's mad and you go from zero to 100 and 
people recognize you and take pictures everywhere

0:23:29.280,0:23:35.360
and then it slly drops off and people yeah people 
which is which is obvious um but it starts off

0:23:35.360,0:23:40.160
with people saying like you know in the street 
you're Joe from The Apprentice and then it goes

0:23:40.160,0:23:44.400
to you're that guy from The Apprentice yeah to 
the other and then it goes and then now it's like

0:23:44.400,0:23:49.960
you got to make the effort to to stay relevant but 
also if you do stay on these platforms you'll find

0:23:49.960,0:23:54.120
that actually you're left with at the end of it 
because I mean I was in 2016 I mean we're talking

0:23:54.120,0:23:59.880
about a while now but you're left with sort of 
like a a community that they they just love what

0:23:59.880,0:24:04.120
you're doing interested in you and you're left 
because once you've been on TV you're you're sort

0:24:04.120,0:24:08.240
of entertainment that's what you are you're you're 
a source of entertainment you know the board

0:24:08.240,0:24:11.520
they're looking what's what's she doing what's 
what's Joe doing today what's he posted it's just

0:24:11.520,0:24:16.880
like TV for them so so you're left with quite a 
dedicated loyal fan base and they stay with you

0:24:16.880,0:24:23.160
like if if if it's I mean if you if you put the 
effort in you can but obviously you get some weird

0:24:23.160,0:24:29.320
oh my God weird can we talk about the weirdos yeah 
what's the weirdest weirdo thing fan type thing

0:24:29.320,0:24:37.000
that's happened come on say it I'll tell you I'll 
tell you mine you tell me yours you go first um

0:24:37.000,0:24:43.520
okay I'll go first okay yeah thank you I've had 
okay say there's what I obviously like indecent

0:24:43.520,0:24:51.240
things being sent is like I don't like obviously 
okay that's but um what's this thing with feet Yes

0:24:51.240,0:24:56.480
I my one was about feet as well why what's your 
thing what is this no no I think feet is is for

0:24:56.480,0:25:04.240
me the the we I think I find that disgusting like 
obviously the is it a lot of people I've had a

0:25:04.240,0:25:10.560
lot of messages even um I did I did a half M Iron 
Man last weekend and posted a couple pictures of

0:25:10.560,0:25:18.840
of that yeah um and some of the messages I got off 
the back of that were yeah about your feet oh yeah

0:25:18.840,0:25:25.200
yeah yeah yeah most most of them are feet related 
yeah no that that's completely creepy so do you

0:25:25.200,0:25:33.120
have like wild mad fans messag feet fans yeah yeah 
definitely so yeah you love your Fitness don't you

0:25:33.120,0:25:38.440
you're very into um so what's like do you do like 
follow any feds do you do the cold plunging do you

0:25:38.440,0:25:45.200
do like keto do you do what like obsession with 
a gut like what's your thing tell me um I love

0:25:45.200,0:25:52.080
Fitness I love all sports a massive rugby player 
I love football Cricket tennis golf any sort of

0:25:52.080,0:25:57.720
sport I love but I don't follow any fads actually 
you don't called plunge or anything like this no

0:25:57.720,0:26:04.360
I I I don't I I actually it to be honest with you 
it annoys me when I see it on Instagram it's just

0:26:04.360,0:26:09.560
another it's like a fade it's like people do it 
to post it on Instagram type thing so do you do

0:26:09.560,0:26:14.920
you like how many hours of sport do you do a day 
do you dedicate time a day to do sport every day

0:26:14.920,0:26:21.000
seven days six days uh every probably six days 
a week six days a week you probably or seven

0:26:21.000,0:26:28.240
six seven yeah I had a depends on what training 
program I'm going through but it'll usually be

0:26:29.640,0:26:34.120
like I recently did a a half Iron Man so the 
training for that is pretty intense so what

0:26:34.120,0:26:39.240
does that entail tell me half Iron Man so so 
Triathlon so it's Swim Bike Run y so how many

0:26:39.240,0:26:47.240
k so it the half the half is 2K swim it's quite 
difficult yeah it's quite the swim hard 2K is

0:26:47.240,0:26:58.480
yeah um 90k bike yep and then a half marathon 
so 21k 21k running oh gosh you good runner you

0:26:58.480,0:27:03.800
um I wouldn't say I'm a natural Runner no okay 
you don't belong to like an Athletics Club or

0:27:03.800,0:27:09.240
like no no no I've never I've more been like a 
rugby player so which isn't really built for like

0:27:09.240,0:27:13.520
longdistance running no but like to elevate your 
running you should join like some sort of you know

0:27:13.520,0:27:20.560
yeah yeah you can do your intervals yeah and I did 
that so like my training would be for Chon um in

0:27:20.560,0:27:25.240
the mornings I I usually I I'm an early riser 
anyway so I get up at like half 5 something go

0:27:25.240,0:27:30.880
do a couple hours in the gym before work at lunch 
time I'll go for like a a walk just a couple hours

0:27:30.880,0:27:34.920
so what like 2 hours an hour yeah hour and a half 
2 hours in the gym so that's in the morning yeah

0:27:34.920,0:27:42.240
then lunch you lunch I get an hour to to and I'm 
so like three and a half that was just that's just

0:27:42.240,0:27:48.360
a walk that was just train training for this big 
event as well and then the evenings would be my

0:27:48.360,0:27:53.880
like my endurance so I'd go bike or run yeah I 
think swimming is quite tiring but it's such a

0:27:53.880,0:27:58.920
nice sport working everything isn't it yeah it's 
so tiring but it's exhausting yeah I remember

0:27:58.920,0:28:05.920
doing it for the first time yeah I'm going to do 
an Iron Man which is like that's like 6K for and

0:28:05.920,0:28:10.400
I I did one length of this 100 meter ball I was 
like I can't do this yeah especially when you're

0:28:10.400,0:28:14.760
starting especially when you I mean but probably 
you probably swam a lot as a kid or not did you

0:28:14.760,0:28:22.960
do I used to and I actually worked as a swim 
coach in in Zim um for the school kids there

0:28:22.960,0:28:28.960
but that was the the coach used to just the head 
coach used to just teach to swim these kids would

0:28:28.960,0:28:34.160
be crying I want to swim it's so scary so scary 
when you're starting out yeah yeah but he would

0:28:34.160,0:28:40.880
get his tactic would be like Chuck him like they 
would be like grabbing onto the end of the pool

0:28:40.880,0:28:46.000
and they' be like let go of the side go and um I 
don't want to and then he let go or I'll get Joe

0:28:46.000,0:28:53.040
to take you to the deep end and he would get me to 
take these kids and just drop them in the deep end

0:28:53.040,0:29:01.120
how horrible yeah but they learn to swim quickly 
they have a choice literally yeah I did no choice

0:29:01.120,0:29:07.000
no my dad my dad did that to me I remember I 
trusted him I trusted him and then he took me into

0:29:07.000,0:29:12.920
the deep end and I was like Dad oh it's so nice 
and he's just let go he's pushing me I'm going

0:29:12.920,0:29:19.520
dad and he's like bye he's sort of moving away 
and I'm like Daddy and then you just yeah Daddy

0:29:19.520,0:29:24.560
Daddy and then swi to Daddy but yeah it's yeah 
it's scary but like in South Africa I remember

0:29:24.560,0:29:28.040
growing up in pools like you that's what you do 
in the summer you spend your whole entire day

0:29:28.960,0:29:33.560
in a pool and it's just so nice it's like just you 
know age sometimes as an adult now when I get in

0:29:33.560,0:29:38.400
the pool and I'm in like you know on holiday or 
whatever and I feel like oh yeah childhood you

0:29:38.400,0:29:43.320
know this is like you're a good swimmer because 
you swm so much in your life you're like I'm

0:29:43.320,0:29:48.760
confident in the water exactly yeah don't mind 
that but yeah I mean so on this thing remember

0:29:48.760,0:29:54.360
I mentioned that like in South Africa obviously 
I got to know all the animals and you know and

0:29:54.360,0:29:58.160
obviously Zimbabwe and all these countries 
and you kind of get to know those kind of

0:29:58.160,0:30:03.280
insects and those kind of birds and blah blah blah 
and then when I got here I just like my one thing

0:30:03.280,0:30:07.880
I thought when I buy a house I'm going to make 
sure it has a biggest garden ever so that I can

0:30:07.880,0:30:14.760
have like my own little Wildlife Nature Reserve 
in in yeah so like make a massive you know in Co I

0:30:14.760,0:30:19.840
dug up the I got really frustrated so I dug a pond 
single-handedly but like now I've improved it you

0:30:19.840,0:30:24.400
know we've had time and I've made a mass it's like 
a lake have you got fish in there or yeah but but

0:30:24.400,0:30:27.400
I got natural ones I don't want to do this whole 
goldfish thing so I got the ones that are in the

0:30:27.400,0:30:33.000
children cuz I in the chillness so i' got the ones 
that are naturally in streams that occur next to

0:30:33.000,0:30:36.520
everything else so I want the NES and all of that 
so you know you get to know these guys as well and

0:30:36.520,0:30:40.320
you think shame cuz you know like it's almost like 
everyone thinks of safari like that's the place of

0:30:40.320,0:30:44.040
conservation but what about the creatures in the 
UK you know you've got all these cute little and

0:30:44.040,0:30:49.200
like the Great Crested n the one with a little 
thing above his you you'll know so like those

0:30:49.200,0:30:53.960
guys and they you know they they in like you know 
they threaten so you've got to look after them and

0:30:53.960,0:30:56.880
people fill up their ponds obviously because of 
safety and stuff like that even though you can get

0:30:56.880,0:31:02.280
a cover and it's fine you know a net thing um but 
you sort of get to know these guys and then you

0:31:02.280,0:31:07.280
want to protect them as well and like the birds 
and all of that and the little animals here so

0:31:07.280,0:31:11.400
definitely yeah yeah I mean do you what where 
do you live at the moment and do you have you

0:31:11.400,0:31:16.640
got to know the creatures here what do you think 
about them was like nah I care about the Buffalo

0:31:16.640,0:31:23.920
no I care about all creatures and obviously big or 
small they all play a part in the ecosystem they

0:31:23.920,0:31:33.040
live in um so I do love it but I've never never 
like to be honest with you I've never had the the

0:31:33.040,0:31:39.720
same passion as I have for African Wildlife yeah 
um I think cuz I just grew up there and I find

0:31:39.720,0:31:49.440
it thrilling and I love it um so in terms of like 
indulging in nature here it's it was actually more

0:31:49.440,0:31:58.080
about the marine life cuz I I studied in EXA but 
fouth you know on the coast so my uni experience

0:31:58.080,0:32:04.040
was very much like fishing and surfing and you'd 
be bobbing out back and this seal would just come

0:32:04.040,0:32:09.560
pop up yeah that's so cool they're like dogs 
the seals they're awesome and that's actually

0:32:09.560,0:32:15.120
how that's how my business surf bomb started 
okay was because I I set up this business at

0:32:15.120,0:32:21.680
University supplying merchandise and whatnot to 
societies and stuff um but the lip balm was you

0:32:21.680,0:32:27.840
know we' go on surfs um and I remember seeing 
the high tide Mark just littered with plas

0:32:29.280,0:32:34.840
and I I hated it I just kills you doesn't it it's 
just the saddest thing um and loads of plastic

0:32:34.840,0:32:39.680
chapsticks you know everyone use lip balm but 
like you know yeah that sort of I know yeah the

0:32:39.680,0:32:45.760
tube thing yeah and I remember thinking like why 
does that have to be plastic so that's how like

0:32:45.760,0:32:52.720
sustainable lip care started yeah just back to the 
conservation stuff um I was just just thought of

0:32:52.720,0:32:56.760
something I think you know like the whole David 
ashur thing and he did I mean did he do stuff in

0:32:56.760,0:33:02.080
the UK I think he did UK stuff that as well yeah 
I think it'll be good for you to to learn about

0:33:02.080,0:33:06.400
the UK Wildlife I think you've got you've got that 
I understand the passion of Africa definitely do

0:33:06.400,0:33:10.400
that but also I think it's so nice for people 
to learn about what's sort of in front of them

0:33:10.400,0:33:17.480
and appreciate that and look after it and open up 
that world it becomes like you you don't realize

0:33:17.480,0:33:22.560
that some some people that live in the city they 
they never experienced nature no but it's actually

0:33:22.560,0:33:28.360
on that doorstep you know they can find it um so 
I actually I was working with the BBC Rec about

0:33:28.360,0:33:35.040
doing a podcast for kids about nature and it's 
like it's basically nature on your doorstep so

0:33:35.040,0:33:41.360
no matter where you are you can um yeah you can 
experience and and find nature even if it's just

0:33:41.360,0:33:46.920
in your back Garden yeah um so that's what yeah 
I think that that's that's really cool because

0:33:46.920,0:33:51.880
it's it's developing it as a kid to get close 
to it that then you care about the creatures

0:33:51.880,0:33:56.440
more whereas if you and I always go back to this 
horrible story I used have an ex-boyfriend once

0:33:56.440,0:34:02.920
okay and uh when we were in Seville I felt sorry 
for a donkey cuz the donkey was like very hot and

0:34:02.920,0:34:06.760
like they kept putting people on and the donkey 
had to walk in I'm we talking about 45 Dee heat

0:34:06.760,0:34:10.480
and I was just like thinking that's cruel like 
just stop now it's enough I mean I know that

0:34:10.480,0:34:15.160
they sort of grow the animals have evolved in 
that environment but to have these big tourists

0:34:15.160,0:34:19.040
and yeah and I felt really sorry and then I went 
up to to the guys with the donkey and I was like

0:34:19.040,0:34:23.560
listen I'm going to give you this money I want 
the Donkey to set out the next few rides and give

0:34:23.560,0:34:27.960
it water and put it in the shade and and this exp 
got really mad at me he's like what are you doing

0:34:27.960,0:34:33.000
man he's like what are you doing just let let 
them do their thing it's an animal I was like

0:34:33.000,0:34:39.000
you're an animal yeah you're an animal because but 
he never grew up with that close to animals that's

0:34:39.000,0:34:43.400
what I'm saying if you don't if they're not like 
your friends animals and you don't sort of form

0:34:43.400,0:34:48.760
that care for them then you'll never care about 
them how say that so important yeah and that's

0:34:48.760,0:34:54.400
why you're right like education as kids if you 
can expose them to that as kids yeah I feel like

0:34:54.400,0:35:00.840
when they're older and you say like don't Litter 
or don't plastic they'll understand why and the

0:35:00.840,0:35:06.560
reason thing kills me yeah yeah on our on our 
Shores it's like I'm always picking up litter

0:35:06.560,0:35:10.840
like like irritate my family when Go Walks I'm 
like oh I just can't Afric like no one's going

0:35:10.840,0:35:17.120
to pick it up after you so yeah terrible no um 
but the other just one one last topic on like cuz

0:35:17.120,0:35:22.080
if you do get to know like the UK Wildlife more 
intimately enemies cuz I live in the countryside

0:35:22.080,0:35:28.600
now and I've sort of um and I go for these walks 
through Farmers Fields a lot with my dog and stuff

0:35:28.600,0:35:32.560
and then um and I watch the wildlife and I see all 
these little butterflies and moths and everything

0:35:32.560,0:35:36.960
and you can see them feeding on the little strips 
the little elways where you can walk and then the

0:35:36.960,0:35:45.280
field is just Barren because it's been sprayed 
with insecticides and poison and it's dead and

0:35:45.280,0:35:50.400
sort of you think and it's like hectars like 
basically all the you know and then you've just

0:35:50.400,0:35:54.200
got these little strips and it's beautiful and 
in these little strips you can hear the little

0:35:54.200,0:35:58.440
crickets and you can see the butterflies and then 
the little bees go come and it's like and the

0:35:58.440,0:36:02.640
little bird will come and have a little Berry off 
something because that's alive so you don't need

0:36:02.640,0:36:08.200
the insecticides like why not roll that I mean I 
know more more expensive but maybe there's ways to

0:36:08.200,0:36:14.200
work things out you know yeah yeah I remember even 
learning in like a level geography or whatever it

0:36:14.200,0:36:20.160
was I remember learning how important hros are in 
the UK that's because like you fly over the UK and

0:36:20.160,0:36:25.240
you can see the whole country side is scattered 
by Fields with insector size and whatnot and then

0:36:25.240,0:36:30.040
bordering of the HED RS that's where it is and 
those are the corridors that have your and also

0:36:30.040,0:36:34.440
Gardens and also Gardens so whoever has a garden 
or even a balcony like if they look after that

0:36:34.440,0:36:39.240
and stop spraying it with rubbish that you don't 
need and just sort of Let It Be then those are the

0:36:39.240,0:36:48.320
little Havens those are little nature places for 
these guys so what's next for you um mini David Ur

0:36:48.320,0:36:54.960
yeah I guess um oh man my personality has always 
been split down the middle like I I love nature

0:36:54.960,0:37:03.280
conservation and the other side I love business 
a Ideal World I love to combine both and by doing

0:37:03.280,0:37:09.960
something like setting up my own Safari Lodge 
or or something like that so I can contribute to

0:37:09.960,0:37:16.480
conservation and nature but also run a business 
you know um but for more the the more immediate

0:37:16.480,0:37:23.480
future I'm loving my job at the moment um at the 
GDs group uh and then in ter and also my business

0:37:23.480,0:37:31.280
I love doing that on the side um in terms of the 
nature side of things I might and I can't talk too

0:37:31.280,0:37:40.080
much about this but I've been asked to go on a a 
show that's more nature orientated really ah so

0:37:40.080,0:37:47.560
you can't tell us more about it but un I was going 
to ask you love Island there was something saying

0:37:47.560,0:37:52.480
no I know they were asking but there's another 
shoke maybe yeah potentially okay so basically

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watch the space we'll see we'll see we'll see if 
it happens but um if does it'll be fantastic well

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sure it's been great it's been pleasure thank so 
much for having me thanks for coming on Pleasure

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